Taliban Spokesman to Asharq Al-Awsat: Sharia Rule Not up for Debate

The Taliban’s official spokesman, Zabiullah Mujahid, speaks to the media after the movement's takeover of Afghanistan on August 24, 2021. (AFP)
The Taliban’s official spokesman, Zabiullah Mujahid, speaks to the media after the movement's takeover of Afghanistan on August 24, 2021. (AFP)
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Taliban Spokesman to Asharq Al-Awsat: Sharia Rule Not up for Debate

The Taliban’s official spokesman, Zabiullah Mujahid, speaks to the media after the movement's takeover of Afghanistan on August 24, 2021. (AFP)
The Taliban’s official spokesman, Zabiullah Mujahid, speaks to the media after the movement's takeover of Afghanistan on August 24, 2021. (AFP)

For several years, the Taliban’s official spokesman, Zabiullah Mujahid, had avoided appearing in the media, while still racking up hundreds of thousands of followers on social media as he posted live military updates about the war and various developments.

Days after the Taliban captured Kabul, and the collapse of the US-backed government, Zabiullah appeared on television for a surprise press conference live from the Afghan capital. Many sources have speculated that he will be name media minster of the Taliban’s “Islamic Emirate” that will be declared in the coming days.

Asharq Al-Awsat had interviewed Zabiullah on three previous occasions. During one of those talks in 2015, he confirmed the death of Mullah Omar, the founder of the Taliban, two years earlier. He revealed during the interview that a new of emir of the movement had been running the emirate for five years before his official appointment.

In the last ten days of the war, Zabiullah made announcements over the fall of a city in the hands of the Taliban. His updates on social media effectively turned him into the media minister of the conflict that the Taliban was rapidly winning.

With the war over, Sheikh Zabiullah, as he is known, will have a new mission of convincing the Afghan people and international community that the Taliban is capable of transitioning from the battlefield to peaceful rule.

Days after the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan, Zabiullah responded to a request by Asharq Al-Awsat for an interview during which he stressed that the movement is seeking security and reconstruction in the country that has been ravaged by war for decades.

Asked about United Nations claims that the “Emirate” had sought retribution against Afghans, including intelligence, police and armed forces, who had aided foreign troops during the war, Zabiullah replied that a general amnesty was issued for the figures named in the UN report.

The mujahidin of the “Emirate” are committed to executing the orders of their leadership, but the amnesty is not absolute, he added. It does not include underground operatives, who have stored weapons and explosives and are organized and enjoy a military and intelligence background.

Zabiullah said the Taliban is responsible for protecting innocent civilians. This responsibility cannot be swayed by political and media extortion.

The Taliban deals with all sides, both inside and outside Afghanistan, with good intentions as long as the gesture is reciprocated by the other. This approach will not change unless the other changes its behavior, which should be based on mutual respect and common interests.

Asked to explain the Taliban’s rapid takeover of Afghanistan in a matter of days, he replied that the victory was not swift. He dismissed those assertions as media exaggeration that is used for political purposes.

The fighting, he clarified, had lasted for 20 years. This is in no way a rapid victory. Given the Taliban’s modest means, it had to resort to exhausting the enemy. This needed time and prolonging the fight. The longer it lasted, the more determined the movement became and it started to reap gains and make advances on the ground.

It is natural for the Taliban to emerge from the war in a stronger position and for the enemy to be weakened, said Zabiullah. Moreover, he added that the movement had managed to seize advanced weapons and equipment from the enemy.

On the sudden collapse of the capital, he attributed it to the enemy’s realization that defeat was imminent, so they despaired and their morale dipped.

He asserted that the war was very long. Twenty years is not a short time, but American media influences world media, so it speaks of a rapid collapse, which is far from the truth.

On the post-war scenario, Zabiullah stated that the Taliban is seeking to achieve security in the country and reassure all sides. This will then be followed by reconstruction.

Asked about the new government’s prospective relations with Arab and Islamic countries, he replied that he hoped those countries would be up to the Taliban’s expectations. He hoped that they would realize that the victory against the Americans and their allies is a victory for all Arabs and Muslims, adding that the Taliban was looking forward to their faithful help in rebuilding Afghanistan.

On the country he believes is most aligned with the Taliban’s views, Zabiullah said it is not essential for it to agree to everything the movement does. Rather it is important that such a country does not obstruct the movement’s implementation of Sharia law and would instead support Afghanistan’s stability and the security of its people, who have long suffered from war.



Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
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Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich has told Asharq Al-Awsat that the US does not plan to withdraw its forces from Syria.

The US is committed to “the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with,” he said.

Here is the full text of the interview.

Question: Mr. Goldrich, thank you so much for taking the time to sit with us today. I know you are leaving your post soon. How do you assess the accomplishments and challenges remaining?

Answer: Thank you very much for the chance to talk with you today. I've been in this position for three years, and so at the end of three years, I can see that there's a lot that we accomplished and a lot that we have left to do. But at the beginning of a time I was here, we had just completed a review of our Syria policy, and we saw that we needed to focus on reducing suffering for the people in Syria. We needed to reduce violence. We needed to hold the regime accountable for things that are done and most importantly, from the US perspective, we needed to keep ISIS from reemerging as a threat to our country and to other countries. At the same time, we also realized that there wouldn't be a solution to the crisis until there was a political process under resolution 2254, so in each of these areas, we've seen both progress and challenges, but of course, on ISIS, we have prevented the reemergence of the threat from northeast Syria, and we've helped deal with people that needed to be repatriated out of the prisons, and we dealt with displaced people in al-Hol to reduce the numbers there. We helped provide for stabilization in those parts of Syria.

Question: I want to talk a little bit about the ISIS situation now that the US troops are still there, do you envision a timeline where they will be withdrawn? Because there were some reports in the press that there is a plan from the Biden administration to withdraw.

Answer: Yeah. So right now, our focus is on the mission that we have there to keep ISIS from reemerging. So I know there have been reports, but I want to make clear that we remain committed to the role that we play in that part of Syria, to the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with, and to the need to prevent that threat from reemerging.

Question: So you can assure people who are saying that you might withdraw, that you are remaining for the time being?

Answer: Yes, and that we remain committed to this mission which needs to continue to be pursued.

Question: You also mentioned the importance of humanitarian aid. The US has been leading on this. Are you satisfied with where you are today on the humanitarian front in Syria?

Answer: We remain committed to the role that we play to provide for humanitarian assistance in Syria. Of the money that was pledged in Brussels, we pledged $593 million just this past spring, and we overall, since the beginning of the conflict, have provided $18 billion both to help the Syrians who are inside of Syria and to help the refugees who are in surrounding countries. And so we remain committed to providing that assistance, and we remain keenly aware that 90% of Syrians are living in poverty right now, and that there's been suffering there. We're doing everything we can to reduce the suffering, but I think where we would really like to be is where there's a larger solution to the whole crisis, so Syrian people someday will be able to provide again for themselves and not need this assistance.

Question: And that's a perfect key to my next question. Solution in Syria. you are aware that the countries in the region are opening up to Assad again, and you also have the EU signaling overture to the Syrian regime and Assad. How do you deal with that?

Answer: For the United States, our policy continues to be that we will not normalize with the regime in Syria until there's been authentic and enduring progress on the goals of resolution 2254, until the human rights of the Syrian people are respected and until they have the civil and human rights that they deserve. We know other countries have engaged with the regime. When those engagements happen, we don't support them, but we remind the countries that are engaged that they should be using their engagements to push forward on the shared international goals under 2254, and that whatever it is that they're doing should be for the sake of improving the situation of the Syrian people.

Question: Let's say that all of the countries decided to talk to Assad, aren’t you worried that the US will be alienated in the process?

Answer: The US will remain true to our own principles and our own policies and our own laws, and the path for the regime in Syria to change its relationship with us is very clear, if they change the behaviors that led to the laws that we have and to the policies that we have, if those behaviors change and the circumstances inside of Syria change, then it's possible to have a different kind of relationship, but that's where it has to start.

Question: My last question to you before you leave, if you have to pick one thing that you need to do in Syria today, what is it that you would like to see happening today?

Answer: So there are a number of things, I think that will always be left and that there are things that we will try to do, to try to make them happen. We want to hold people accountable in Syria for things that have happened. So even today, we observed something called the International Day for victims of enforced disappearances, there are people that are missing, and we're trying to draw attention to the need to account for the missing people. So our step today was to sanction a number of officials who were responsible for enforced disappearances, but we also created something called the independent institution for missing persons, and that helps the families, in the non-political way, get information on what's happened. So I'd like to see some peace for the families of the missing people. I'd like to see the beginning of a political process, there hasn't been a meeting of the constitutional committee in two years, and I think that's because the regime has not been cooperating in political process steps. So we need to change that situation. And I would, of course, like it's important to see the continuation of the things that we were talking about, so keeping ISIS from reemerging and maintaining assistance as necessary in the humanitarian sphere. So all these things, some of them are ongoing, and some of them remain to be achieved. But the Syrian people deserve all aspects of our policy to be fulfilled and for them to be able to return to a normal life.