Davos President to Asharq Al-Awsat: Extreme Poverty Levels Rising for First Time in Two Decades

Børge Brende warns of the continuation of a fractured world and calls for a global compact.

Brende speaks at Building Sustainable Markets at The World Economic Forum. (WEF)
Brende speaks at Building Sustainable Markets at The World Economic Forum. (WEF)
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Davos President to Asharq Al-Awsat: Extreme Poverty Levels Rising for First Time in Two Decades

Brende speaks at Building Sustainable Markets at The World Economic Forum. (WEF)
Brende speaks at Building Sustainable Markets at The World Economic Forum. (WEF)

The continuation of a fractured world, lack of international collaboration and rising inequalities within and between countries will impede efforts to fight the pandemic and face the climate change crisis, warned the president of the World Economic Forum in an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat.

“We need to make sure that the recovery (from the Covid-19 pandemic) will be sustained, and that it will be inclusive,” Børge Brende insisted on the eve of the “Davos Agenda” week.

Despite this year’s forum being held virtually as countries grapple with a raging coronavirus pandemic, world leaders are expected to convene on Monday and throughout the week under the theme “A Crucial Year to Rebuild Trust.”

“We aim at rebuilding trust at the beginning of the year, because trust is the basis for progress”, Brende explained.

A global compact
The president of the World Economic Forum warned that “if there is a continuation of a fractured world, where leaders don't collaborate, we will have a hard time finding solutions to climate change, and to fight the pandemic.”

He is however hopeful that “the US re-entering the Paris protocol agreement, as well as the World Health Organization will send a clear signal that the largest economy in the world will also use international bodies and multilateral agreements as the basis for cooperation.” He added that it “will also hopefully break some impulses in other areas, like the World Trade Organization for example, where the appellate body needs to be filled with judges.”

That said, “I don't think we're out of the woods yet”, Brende noted, as “there will definitely be much more competition between the big economies. We can also see clear disagreements in some areas. But I do think however that there will be areas where we definitely see clearer will to find common solutions.”

He highlighted the need for a global compact to face common challenges, saying: “Look for example at Covid-19. We know that the pandemic doesn’t know any borders: Covid anywhere is Covid everywhere. We know that climate change doesn't know any borders either. So we need a global compact.”

In addition, Brende reflected on the importance of getting the economy back on track, and said: “If we're going to go into pre-Covid levels of global GDP, we will need to start investing in each other’s countries through Foreign direct investment, that has gone down dramatically in the last one and a half year.”

He added: “We also know that the global value chains and trade are struggling to get back to their pre-Covid levels. And we know that trade has been an engine of growth, and has lifted millions of people out of extreme poverty in the last three decades.”

Rising levels of extreme poverty
“In the last one and a half year, close to a hundred million people have become in the category of extreme poverty,” Brende warned. He continued: “For the first time in two decades, we have seen an increase in extreme poverty in the world, and not a decrease. Covid-19 is hitting poor, developing and emerging countries hard.”

“We know that we were faced with growing inequalities before the pandemic, not only between countries but also inside industrialized countries,” he added.

“But these inequalities seem more pronounced today, and we can see that people who have received good education and have good jobs have been able to work from home, and have adjusted to the situation. Whereas some who work in the grocery store or a hotel or on a cruise liner, or might not even not have a job” have been hit harder, he went on to say.

Brende, therefore, stressed the importance of helping the Covax initiative succeed, saying: “Fortunately, they have more than 2 billion doses of the vaccine now available. But that is not enough, and we have to do more.”

He also pointed out that, once growth is “back on track, we the need to address not only climate change that is hitting poor countries the most, but also the worrying digital divide and the fact that 3.6 billion people don't even have access to the internet.”

“If we don't fix this digital divide,” he warned, “we unfortunately will see growing inequalities in the years to come.”

Stimulus packages
Brende said that developed nations are doing “whatever it takes” to confront the economic downturn caused by the coronavirus. “There are 12 trillion US dollars in stimulus packages out there. But we also see that the EU has pivoted from consumption to investments in the green deal and the green transformation, but also to the digital transformation. They are doing whatever it takes. The US and China are also doing whatever it takes.”

But many emerging economies and developing countries, he added, “can only do whatever they have, and they don't have that same fiscal muscle as developed countries.”

Brende continued that “these are all very worrisome signals that we have to look at very seriously. and that's why we have to get the economy back on track, but the growth needs to be much more job creating and inclusive and sustainable.”

Strengthening globalization
In his comment on the return of China’s president Xi Jinping to Davos this year, albeit virtually, Brende said: “We are very pleased to have China's president back. President Xi’s speech in 2017 is known for a speech where China underlined the importance of multilateralism and globalism.”

He added that “since 1990, when globalization really took off, the world population has increased from 5 billion to 7 billion people. And at the same time, the amount of people living in extreme poverty has decreased from 40 percent to 10 percent.” Globalization, he concluded, “has had many successes, but we should not be complacent.”

In the WEF’s risk report this year, “we found that one of the big challenges moving forward is addressing inequalities. We cannot have economies where wealth is not trickling down. The legitimacy of the social market economy is based on people having the chance to live on decent salaries.”

A Fourth Industrial Revolution Center in Riyadh
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz participated, on January 13, in a strategic dialogue session moderated by Brende and convened with over 160 influential international leaders and business leaders, representing 28 sectors and 36 countries.

“We had a very well attended country strategy meeting with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. I had the honor to moderate the session with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, as he laid out his plan for continuing reforms. We also had announced that we will open in Riyadh a center for the Fourth Industrial Revolution, which is a WEF center for technologies, like Artificial Intelligence, and big data, and also the internet of things,” explained Brende.

He added that it was very interesting to follow all the questions from the CEOs, ranging from energy transformation, to reforms regarding women empowerment, to investment opportunities for foreigners.

The strategic dialogue session came after the WEF postponed a planned regional meeting that was due to take place in Riyadh last spring.

“There was huge interest for that crucial meeting in Saudi Arabia. So we decided that at least for the time being, we will need to offer the opportunity to those CEOs that were signed up to meet virtually with the Crown Prince in this dialogue,” said Brende.

He added: “We unfortunately had to postpone all our original activities. We were supposed to have meetings in Addis Ababa and Jakarta and in Riyadh. All these three meeting are postponed. And we will just have to see how things develop with the pandemic in the year to come.”

Public-private cooperation
“There was a saying by a world leader who said that there can be decades without any news, and a decade (worth of news) within a week. And I feel that we have been through a decade in a year,” said Brende when asked about the many changes the WEF is trying to adapt to.

He explained: “We had to replace all of our physical meetings with 300 digital meetings this last year, but we have also launched a lot of new initiatives. And I think the strength of the World Economic Forum is really that we are now the international organization for public-private cooperation. And I think that a lot of the challenges that we are facing today, be it climate change or the pandemic or getting growth back on track, require the need to mobilize more collaboration between the public and private sectors.”

He added: “The public sector has now used a lot of its fiscal muscles in coming through this crisis, and we have seen that governmental debt has increased quite dramatically. So in the year to come, I think we also have to mobilize resources in the private sector to compliment what the governments are doing.”

“The WEF has also challenged companies. We created a Covid platform in March last year, and launched 41 initiatives from private companies related to speeding up the vaccinations,” he continued. “We also launched the ESGs (Environmental, social and corporate governance) where 120 companies committed to the environmental, social and governmental standards.”

“ESGs are far above what governmental regulations are, and touch on the environment, climate governance, fighting corruption, but also creating decent jobs, re-skilling and upscaling, and this is what stakeholder capitalism is about,” he explained.

“So we will see a World Economic Forum that is much more focused on impact and action and also that contributes to reaching the sustainable development goals. We will also seriously address issues like the digital divide in the world,” he concluded.



Al-Sharaa to Asharq Al-Awsat: Revolution Ended with Regime’s Fall, Will Not Be Exported

Ahmed Al-Sharaa in the interview with Bissane El-Cheikh in Damascus on Thursday
Ahmed Al-Sharaa in the interview with Bissane El-Cheikh in Damascus on Thursday
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Al-Sharaa to Asharq Al-Awsat: Revolution Ended with Regime’s Fall, Will Not Be Exported

Ahmed Al-Sharaa in the interview with Bissane El-Cheikh in Damascus on Thursday
Ahmed Al-Sharaa in the interview with Bissane El-Cheikh in Damascus on Thursday

Ahmed Al-Sharaa, the head of the new Syrian administration, told Asharq Al-Awsat that “the Syrian revolution ended with the regime's fall, and we will not allow it to spread elsewhere.”

He stressed that Syria “will not be used to attack or destabilize any Arab or Gulf country.”

Speaking from the Presidential Palace in Damascus on Thursday, Al-Sharaa said the Syrian opposition’s actions had “set the Iranian project in the region back by 40 years.”

Asked why Syria has yet to send a direct message to the Gulf and major Arab nations, Al-Sharaa responded by saying that his country has much to say to its Arab neighbors.

“Syria had become a platform for Iran to control key Arab capitals, spread wars, and destabilize the Gulf with drugs like Captagon,” he said.

He added: “By removing Iranian militias and closing Syria to Iranian influence, we’ve served the region’s interests—achieving what diplomacy and external pressure could not, with minimal losses.”

Al-Sharaa also criticized efforts to restore ties with the former Syrian regime, including its return to the Arab League in exchange for concessions.

“We were confident this would fail because we knew the regime would not make any genuine concessions or approach these overtures in good faith,” he said.

He claimed that during a meeting with Jordanian officials, the former regime was asked why it insisted on exporting Captagon to Jordan.

“The response was that it would not stop unless sanctions were lifted," Al-Sharaa said, adding “this is not how the regime operates.”

He emphasized that Gulf strategic security has since improved. “Today, the Iranian project in the region has been pushed back 40 years, making the Gulf more secure and stable.”

When asked if he would give reassurances on Syria not becoming a refuge for certain figures, Al-Sharaa dismissed concerns about hosting figures who cause concern for some Arab nations, saying Syria will not become a haven for controversial individuals.

“We are now focused on state-building. The revolution ended with the regime's fall, and we will not allow it to spread elsewhere. Syria will not be a platform to threaten or unsettle any Arab or Gulf country,” he said.

Al-Sharaa stressed that Syria seeks to rebuild and strengthen ties with Arab nations. “Syria is tired of wars and being used for others’ agendas. We want to restore trust and rebuild our country as part of the Arab world.”

He praised the Gulf’s progress, saying: “We admire the development in Gulf countries, particularly Saudi Arabia’s bold plans and vision, and we aspire to achieve similar progress for Syria.”

He added: “There are many opportunities for cooperation, especially in economic and developmental areas, where we can align our goals.”

On Syria’s relationship with its neighbor Lebanon, Al-Sharaa acknowledged concerns raised by Lebanese counterparts about him reaching Damascus, fearing it could strengthen one faction over another in Lebanon.

“We are not seeking any form of dominance over Lebanon,” he said. “We want a relationship based on mutual respect and exchange, without interfering in Lebanon’s internal affairs. We have enough work to do in our own country.”

Al-Sharaa emphasized Syria’s intention to maintain balanced relations, saying he aims “to stand equally with all Lebanese groups, and what pleases them, pleases us.”

Al-Sharaa was asked about a national dialogue conference and a new constitution to guide Syria’s future, and the mechanism that he plans to ensure inclusivity for all Syrians in the process, especially among the base of supporters and fighters who do not necessarily agree with his current moderate speech.

Al-Sharaa acknowledged differing opinions but emphasized he does not want to impose his personal views on Syrians.

“I believe in letting legal experts shape the relationship between citizens, with the law as the guide,” he said.

“Syria is diverse, and it's natural for there to be different opinions. This difference is healthy.”

Al-Sharaa stressed that the recent victory is for all Syrians, not one group over another.

“Even those we thought were loyal to the old regime expressed joy, as they had not been able to openly express their feelings before,” he noted.

He expressed confidence that Syrians, regardless of their background, are aware enough to protect their country.

“My aim is to reach a broad agreement and build a country where the rule of law helps resolve our differences,” Al-Sharaa concluded.

On the complex issue of forced disappearances and individuals missing in prisons and mass graves, Al-Sharaa said the previous regime was a criminal gang, not a political system.

“We fought a brutal group that committed crimes like arrests, forced disappearances, killings, displacement, starvation, chemical attacks, and torture,” he said.

He stressed that while the regime is gone, the focus should be on justice, not revenge.

“We must not approach this with a desire for vengeance,” he said.

Al-Sharaa stated that those responsible for crimes like the Saydnaya prison and chemical attacks must be held accountable.

“Their names are known and they must be pursued,” he said. He also affirmed that families have the right to file complaints against unknown perpetrators.

Al-Sharaa outlined efforts to address the issue of missing persons. “We’ve broken the barriers, and specialized organizations are now helping with this task,” he said.

A new ministry will be set up to track the fate of the missing, both the deceased and the living.

“This will also assist families with documents like death certificates and inheritance,” he added.

He acknowledged the challenge ahead but emphasized the need to uncover the truth. “This is a big task, but we must find the truth,” Al-Sharaa said.

When asked about hosting the interview at the People’s Palace, the same location where Bashar al-Assad once sat, Al-Sharaa responded with a light-hearted laugh.

“To be honest, I don’t feel comfortable at all,” he said. “But this is a place that should be open to the people, a site where they can visit and where children can play in these courtyards.”