Saudi Arabia Has Proven Its Role as Engaged International Player: Cleverly

Global cases of the novel coronavirus neared 7 million on Saturday, according to a Reuters tally, and the death toll has approached 400,000.

While the spread of the coronavirus unfolds differently around the world, international efforts are redoubling to face its impact and to alleviate its economic and social repercussions. In this regard, The G20 nations, currently led by Saudi Arabia, have pledged more than $21 billion to fight COVID-19, in terms of diagnostics, vaccines, therapeutics, and research and development.

The group affirmed they will spare no effort to protect lives and the most vulnerable.

For his part, James Cleverley, the British Minister of State for the Middle East and North Africa, valued Saudi Arabia's efforts in confronting the pandemic regionally and internationally. In an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat, Cleverly lauded the coordinating role played by Saudi for the international community as the head of the G20 this year.

Below is the interview:

· You have previously mentioned that the modeling expects the Middle East to reach the peak of the pandemic in the summer months. What are you doing bilaterally with your partners in the region to mitigate the consequences of the spread?

The reason that we are really grateful about the strength of the bilateral relationships, particularly with Saudi Arabia, but also the relationships with other countries around the gulf is because every day that we deal with the Coronavirus pandemic, we learn a bit more about the nature of the infection and the virus, and how to mitigate the impact and deal with it. And it is sharing that knowledge, which means that if the modeling is accurate and the Middle East reaches its peak through the summer months, then it's not going to be dealing with that alone. And so I've had a lot of conversations with my contacts in the Gulf about what we've learned from it, and about their support for us and what we might do to support them in turn.

What we want to make sure of is, if the modeling is accurate and the peak is over the summer, that we work together to reduce the peak. The timing might be out of our control, but the way that we collectively respond to it is very much within our control.

The bilateral relationship is definitely going to help. The Gulf deal with coronavirus, but it's already helping us deal with it. And I think that's a really good example of why the relationship matters.

· Could you tell us a bit more about what you are doing with Saudi Arabia specifically to fight this pandemic, both on a regional and global level?

The strength of the Anglo- Saudi relationship has really shown himself most recently. One of the first things that we’ve had to deal with in the UK was the repatriation of British Nationals overseas, and working with the Saudis has helped get over a thousand British nationals back home. And so, that was a very early indication of how useful that relationship is.

Saudi’s leadership position within the G20 has meant that they've done a lot of coordinating role with the international communities, so that we can focus on the needs of some of the poorest countries, not just in the region, but globally, with coronavirus.

And we're working together on a whole range of health initiatives. Saudi has contributed $150 million to the Global Vaccine Summit this week, which is incredibly good. But also prior to that, they contributed $150 million to “CEPI”, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, and $200 million for the World Health organizations.

And so, the financial contribution is incredibly important, and we can't underplay that. But also being thoughtful and engaged, recognizing the very visible leadership role that Saudi has in the Islamic World, and its support through King Salman Humanitarian Aid and Relief Center (KSRelief).

I think Saudi has shown itself to be a real globally engaged player, and it is giving financial and non-financial support. And I've found both with the Saudi Ambassador to London (Prince Khalid bin Bandar) and my opposite number in the Saudi government, that they always been very willing to engage, and very willing to take my calls when we've needed to speak, and it has made a real positive difference.

· You've mentioned helping poorer countries fight the pandemic. What is the UK doing to help Yemen fight Coronavirus, especially with its weak health system, and as it is registering an increasing number of infections and deaths?

We are very concerned about the impact that coronavirus is having and could have on the people of Yemen. As you say, the provision of healthcare in Yemen is very much diminished, and we're very concerned particularly about the Houthi controlled areas where we don't have clarity of how bad the situation is. We worry about the impact that it can have on top of all the other difficulties that Yemeni people are suffering from.

The announcement from Saudi of the ceasefire over Ramadan was incredibly welcome. One of the most important things that can be done to help the people of Yemen is for there to be a complete and lasting ceasefire, so the humanitarian access can get to the people that require help.

I have recently announced at the Yemen Donor Conference £160 Million worth of support to tackle Coronavirus in the country. And we continue working closely with the Saudis and other international partners to de-escalate in Yemen, and to encourage particularly the Houthis to respect the ceasefire so that we can rebuild the country’s medical structures and that we can help the people of Yemen.

So again, the money helps, it's incredibly important, but the ceasefire is probably the single most important thing. And we are working with the UN envoy to Yemen Martin Griffiths and the UN to bring about a genuine long-lasting ceasefire.

· Another country that is raising a lot of concern and is witnessing a new rise in infections, is Iran. Are you at all worried about how Iran is dealing with the pandemic within its borders and how that impacts the region and the world?

We have been concerned about the number of infections in Iran, and it's obviously very well known that we have had, and continue to have many criticisms of the Iranian government. When it comes to coronavirus, we have obviously been prioritizing humanitarian support, and we have worked to help Iran combat coronavirus, because, despite our differences, we want to see the Iranian people safe and well. It is in the regional interest, and our interest. And it's really important that Iran learns the lessons from around the world. And when it needs to take measures in terms of dealing with a potential second wave, that it is willing to take those measures. And we are willing to support them when they do the right thing. So I am concerned about the risks of a second wave of infections in Iran, and we will look to support Iran when they take the correct actions to deal with this.

· Has the pandemic distracted from security and economic cooperation in the region, especially in terms of maritime security?

Obviously, and quite rightly, coronavirus has been something that has demanded the attention of the international community both in the gulf and the UK and more widely. And that is definitely the right thing to do. But just because Coronavirus has dominated the news around the world, it doesn't mean that we've taken our eye off the ball of other challenges that pre-existed coronavirus. So things like maritime security, reducing conflict and regional instability, counterterrorism work, are all still challenges, and we are still very much focused on dealing with them.

And whilst we do speak with our friends in the Gulf about coronavirus regularly, we do still continue our strong work on countering terrorism and radicalization, and on economic prosperity, because we still have the challenge of the global economic downturn and oil price reduction. These things are having a real impact on a number of countries and people in the region, and we will continue working to make sure that our economies remain stable and vibrant and growing, because we know economic instability and political instability are bad news wherever they occur. So we will continue working in terms of security matters and economic matters, and building those relationships. And hopefully, once coronavirus is no longer the single dominating headline, people will recognize that the continued good work that we have between the UK and a number of Partners in the Gulf.

· On a more personal note, you have been appointed Minister of State for the Middle East and North Africa shortly before the pandemic started. How have you personally experienced it?

I was elated, I was really pleased, when the Prime Minister offered me this role. It is a fascinating part of the world, I had the chance to visit Saudi before. And I know this is an intriguing and complicated and exciting part of the world, with some big challenges but also fantastic opportunities. And I was really looking forward to traveling and meeting people, and experiencing the culture, and the hospitality and the food.
And I suddenly find myself doing this wonderful job mainly from my dining room, over the telephone and video conferencing. And the food that I am eating is the same food as before, it’s no more glamorous.

But I have to say, the people I find myself dealing with are all having to address similar challenges at the same time. And one of the things that have been really pleasing for me to see is how willing my friends and new contacts are around the gulf to help me learn about them and about their work, over the phone, and by video conferencing, and they've been very patient.

It's always easier to get to know people face to face, and sometimes when you have difficult conversations, as we have had to deal with this challenge, it's so much easier if you have that face-to-face. I now have a number of people that I have very friendly relationships with, it feels like they're old friends, but we've never met.

I really look forward to the time when we can travel again, and I get to meet face-to-face with these people who I've become quite close to through the internet.

I don't really speak Arabic, but I've learned a couple of words and phrases. And I've now found myself saying “Inshallah” quite often.

As we look forward to the time when we can get back to a more normal way of doing business, I've been made very welcome and I really enjoy the job.

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich has told Asharq Al-Awsat that the US does not plan to withdraw its forces from Syria.

The US is committed to “the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with,” he said.

Here is the full text of the interview.

Question: Mr. Goldrich, thank you so much for taking the time to sit with us today. I know you are leaving your post soon. How do you assess the accomplishments and challenges remaining?

Answer: Thank you very much for the chance to talk with you today. I've been in this position for three years, and so at the end of three years, I can see that there's a lot that we accomplished and a lot that we have left to do. But at the beginning of a time I was here, we had just completed a review of our Syria policy, and we saw that we needed to focus on reducing suffering for the people in Syria. We needed to reduce violence. We needed to hold the regime accountable for things that are done and most importantly, from the US perspective, we needed to keep ISIS from reemerging as a threat to our country and to other countries. At the same time, we also realized that there wouldn't be a solution to the crisis until there was a political process under resolution 2254, so in each of these areas, we've seen both progress and challenges, but of course, on ISIS, we have prevented the reemergence of the threat from northeast Syria, and we've helped deal with people that needed to be repatriated out of the prisons, and we dealt with displaced people in al-Hol to reduce the numbers there. We helped provide for stabilization in those parts of Syria.

Question: I want to talk a little bit about the ISIS situation now that the US troops are still there, do you envision a timeline where they will be withdrawn? Because there were some reports in the press that there is a plan from the Biden administration to withdraw.

Answer: Yeah. So right now, our focus is on the mission that we have there to keep ISIS from reemerging. So I know there have been reports, but I want to make clear that we remain committed to the role that we play in that part of Syria, to the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with, and to the need to prevent that threat from reemerging.

Question: So you can assure people who are saying that you might withdraw, that you are remaining for the time being?

Answer: Yes, and that we remain committed to this mission which needs to continue to be pursued.

Question: You also mentioned the importance of humanitarian aid. The US has been leading on this. Are you satisfied with where you are today on the humanitarian front in Syria?

Answer: We remain committed to the role that we play to provide for humanitarian assistance in Syria. Of the money that was pledged in Brussels, we pledged $593 million just this past spring, and we overall, since the beginning of the conflict, have provided $18 billion both to help the Syrians who are inside of Syria and to help the refugees who are in surrounding countries. And so we remain committed to providing that assistance, and we remain keenly aware that 90% of Syrians are living in poverty right now, and that there's been suffering there. We're doing everything we can to reduce the suffering, but I think where we would really like to be is where there's a larger solution to the whole crisis, so Syrian people someday will be able to provide again for themselves and not need this assistance.

Question: And that's a perfect key to my next question. Solution in Syria. you are aware that the countries in the region are opening up to Assad again, and you also have the EU signaling overture to the Syrian regime and Assad. How do you deal with that?

Answer: For the United States, our policy continues to be that we will not normalize with the regime in Syria until there's been authentic and enduring progress on the goals of resolution 2254, until the human rights of the Syrian people are respected and until they have the civil and human rights that they deserve. We know other countries have engaged with the regime. When those engagements happen, we don't support them, but we remind the countries that are engaged that they should be using their engagements to push forward on the shared international goals under 2254, and that whatever it is that they're doing should be for the sake of improving the situation of the Syrian people.

Question: Let's say that all of the countries decided to talk to Assad, aren’t you worried that the US will be alienated in the process?

Answer: The US will remain true to our own principles and our own policies and our own laws, and the path for the regime in Syria to change its relationship with us is very clear, if they change the behaviors that led to the laws that we have and to the policies that we have, if those behaviors change and the circumstances inside of Syria change, then it's possible to have a different kind of relationship, but that's where it has to start.

Question: My last question to you before you leave, if you have to pick one thing that you need to do in Syria today, what is it that you would like to see happening today?

Answer: So there are a number of things, I think that will always be left and that there are things that we will try to do, to try to make them happen. We want to hold people accountable in Syria for things that have happened. So even today, we observed something called the International Day for victims of enforced disappearances, there are people that are missing, and we're trying to draw attention to the need to account for the missing people. So our step today was to sanction a number of officials who were responsible for enforced disappearances, but we also created something called the independent institution for missing persons, and that helps the families, in the non-political way, get information on what's happened. So I'd like to see some peace for the families of the missing people. I'd like to see the beginning of a political process, there hasn't been a meeting of the constitutional committee in two years, and I think that's because the regime has not been cooperating in political process steps. So we need to change that situation. And I would, of course, like it's important to see the continuation of the things that we were talking about, so keeping ISIS from reemerging and maintaining assistance as necessary in the humanitarian sphere. So all these things, some of them are ongoing, and some of them remain to be achieved. But the Syrian people deserve all aspects of our policy to be fulfilled and for them to be able to return to a normal life.

Saudi Arabia Has Proven Its Role as Engaged International Player: Cleverly