Taliban Spokesman to Asharq Al-Awsat: Our Rule Will be Islamic, We Have Learned from the Past

Dr. Mohammad Naim, a spokesperson for the Taliban’s political office. (Getty Images)
Dr. Mohammad Naim, a spokesperson for the Taliban’s political office. (Getty Images)
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Taliban Spokesman to Asharq Al-Awsat: Our Rule Will be Islamic, We Have Learned from the Past

Dr. Mohammad Naim, a spokesperson for the Taliban’s political office. (Getty Images)
Dr. Mohammad Naim, a spokesperson for the Taliban’s political office. (Getty Images)

Dr. Mohammad Naim, a spokesperson for the Taliban’s political office, stressed that his movement has sent out assurances within Afghanistan, the neighboring region and international community that the country will not be a platform to threaten the security of other nations.

The movement also issued general amnesty inside Afghanistan to people who had fought it for decades and who had allied themselves with its enemies, he added, saying it was doing so from a position of strength.

In an interview by email to Asharq Al-Awsat, Naim explained that his movement could have arrested its rivals and put them on trial. That would have been justice, but it opted instead for amnesty. Amnesty is an act of goodness, which is above justice, he said.

Through this gesture, the “Islamic Emirate” of Afghanistan wanted to open a new chapter and put an end to the bitterness and grudges of the past. This new chapter paves the way for new relations where all Afghans can come together to build an Islamic system, he explained.

On the regional level, the Taliban has expressed its readiness to let go of the past and forge new ties based on good neighborliness and refraining from meddling in the affairs of others, he went on to say.

On the international level, Naim said the “Emirate” wanted to establish normal diplomatic relations with countries, even those that had fought it for 20 years.

Asked if the Taliban has changed its strategy after two decades, he said that the reassuring messages the “Emirate” is sending to the Afghan people, its neighbors and the world are nothing new to the movement. The movement has long expressed its readiness for such relations, but the others always rejected its advances. They wanted the movement to abandon its values and approach and surrender to the occupation, he went on to say.

The amnesty and refusal to resort to violence are all part of the “Emirate”, he explained, but hostile media has always refused to show this image. The Taliban will fulfill its pledges to its people, neighbors and the entire world.

Asked how much the movement has changed since it ruled Afghanistan the first time back in 1996 and imposed harsh daily restrictions on the people, Naim replied that the foundations of the movement’s ideology are based on religion.

The movement wants an independent Islamic system based on Sharia law, he explained. This system will achieve justice, end oppression, provide security, unite the country, foster fraternity between the Muslim Afghan people, preserve everyone’s rights, achieve economic and social prosperity and establish positive relations with all countries.

These goals have never changed, he stressed.

The “Emirate” has learned a lot in the past 20 years. It has bolstered its experience in politics and the military, cultural, education and social fields, he went to say, remarking that the world has also largely changed as well throughout that time.

Asked when the Taliban will impose Sharia law in Afghanistan, Naim replied that the implementation of Sharia is not limited to penalties against crimes, theft and drinking alcohol.

Sharia means religion becomes a way of life in terms of creed, worship, behavior and morals. It becomes part of the people’s individual, social, political, economic and cultural lives, he stated. The system is responsible for providing the people with security and opportunities in all fields.

The first thing the future system will implement is fulfill the goal the Afghan people have strived for for over 40 years and that is the establishment of an Islamic system under which they can live in security, safety and dignity, he said.

Commenting on the rapid collapse of the former Afghan government headed by President Ashraf Ghani, he stated that the administration in Kabul was introduced by the occupation. The Afghan people refuse to be ruled by foreigners and have, throughout history, opposed any occupation.

Moreover, he remarked that the guards who were protecting the administration were of the people. Circumstances had prevented them from joining the mujahedeen, but when the foreign forces pulled out, they naturally returned to the people.

Furthermore, the strength, faith and courage of the “Emirate” and people’s acceptance of it led to the collapse of the Kabul administration, he stressed.

Asked if the Taliban was prepared to form an expanded government with other segments of Afghan society, Naim replied that the movement was working on forming a government that represents the Muslim Afghan people and all of their components.

The new government will meet its expectations and will be the real product of their jihad and sacrifices, he stated.

Looking beyond the Afghan borders, Naim said the Taliban was hoping to establish strong relations with all Islamic and Arab countries and ties of friendship with all world countries. The Taliban and Arab-Islamic countries enjoy bonds of creed, religion, history and geography, as well as joint interests, he noted.

Moreover, he stressed that Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of Islam and the qibla of Muslims, and so it holds a major position in the Muslim nation.

Meanwhile, other countries, such as China, Russia and Germany and some members of the European Union, have started to send “positive” messages towards the “Emirate”, which it appreciates, revealed Naim.

The Taliban also boasts good relations with all of its neighbors and it wants to expand them further. The movement had previously expressed its keenness on establishing normal relations with all countries, especially neighboring ones. The “Emirate” has received positive messages from neighbors, including China, Pakistan and Iran.

Commenting on the US pullout from Afghanistan, he said foreigners cannot remain in a country that is not their own. The Taliban was confident that the foreign forces would withdraw from the country.

Turning to the Taliban’s approach towards extremist groups, such as al-Qaeda, he stressed that the “Emirate” had pledged to all countries that Afghanistan will not serve as a platform for operations that threaten the security of any country. “We are committed to this. We do not meddle in the affairs of others and will not allow others to meddle in ours.”

On the role of women in Afghanistan, Naim said the “Emirate” had underscored its keenness on educating women and their right to hold jobs. This should all, however, take place according to Sharia law and the values of the Afghan people.

Asked if the people will grow accustomed to the Taliban, he stated that the people are Muslim and they know the rules of Islam. The people are proud of their religion, values, morals and nation. Islam is no stranger to the people, who have throughout history made sacrifices for the religion. This is secret to no one.

The “Emirate” is widely accepted by the majority of the people and the popular celebrations that welcomed the mujahedeen when they swept through Afghan cities is evidence of that, he noted.

The enemies are those who vilify the “Islamic Emirate” and who work on tarnishing its image, he stressed. Those who have been deceived by these claims have since opened their eyes to the truth.

The war is over, declared Naim. Now is the time for peace, in spite of some lingering problems. Kabul will be ruled by a just and fair Islamic system that meets the demands of the Muslim Afghan people.

Asked if the Taliban will return to the harsh punishments, such as public executions, amputations and stoning, it had adopted when it ruled between 1996 and 2001, he said that punishments outlined in the Quran and Sunnah and agreed to by scholars of the nation are not described as harsh or inhumane.

The “Emirate” does not impose such punishments, but God does, he clarified, citing evidence in the Quran, Sunnah teachings and by scholars.

Delivering a message to Arab and Muslim readers around the world, Naim said he expects all sides to stand by the wronged Afghan people now that they are living in peace. The Taliban will rebuild a country that has been destroyed by over 20 years of war, he vowed.



Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
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Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich has told Asharq Al-Awsat that the US does not plan to withdraw its forces from Syria.

The US is committed to “the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with,” he said.

Here is the full text of the interview.

Question: Mr. Goldrich, thank you so much for taking the time to sit with us today. I know you are leaving your post soon. How do you assess the accomplishments and challenges remaining?

Answer: Thank you very much for the chance to talk with you today. I've been in this position for three years, and so at the end of three years, I can see that there's a lot that we accomplished and a lot that we have left to do. But at the beginning of a time I was here, we had just completed a review of our Syria policy, and we saw that we needed to focus on reducing suffering for the people in Syria. We needed to reduce violence. We needed to hold the regime accountable for things that are done and most importantly, from the US perspective, we needed to keep ISIS from reemerging as a threat to our country and to other countries. At the same time, we also realized that there wouldn't be a solution to the crisis until there was a political process under resolution 2254, so in each of these areas, we've seen both progress and challenges, but of course, on ISIS, we have prevented the reemergence of the threat from northeast Syria, and we've helped deal with people that needed to be repatriated out of the prisons, and we dealt with displaced people in al-Hol to reduce the numbers there. We helped provide for stabilization in those parts of Syria.

Question: I want to talk a little bit about the ISIS situation now that the US troops are still there, do you envision a timeline where they will be withdrawn? Because there were some reports in the press that there is a plan from the Biden administration to withdraw.

Answer: Yeah. So right now, our focus is on the mission that we have there to keep ISIS from reemerging. So I know there have been reports, but I want to make clear that we remain committed to the role that we play in that part of Syria, to the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with, and to the need to prevent that threat from reemerging.

Question: So you can assure people who are saying that you might withdraw, that you are remaining for the time being?

Answer: Yes, and that we remain committed to this mission which needs to continue to be pursued.

Question: You also mentioned the importance of humanitarian aid. The US has been leading on this. Are you satisfied with where you are today on the humanitarian front in Syria?

Answer: We remain committed to the role that we play to provide for humanitarian assistance in Syria. Of the money that was pledged in Brussels, we pledged $593 million just this past spring, and we overall, since the beginning of the conflict, have provided $18 billion both to help the Syrians who are inside of Syria and to help the refugees who are in surrounding countries. And so we remain committed to providing that assistance, and we remain keenly aware that 90% of Syrians are living in poverty right now, and that there's been suffering there. We're doing everything we can to reduce the suffering, but I think where we would really like to be is where there's a larger solution to the whole crisis, so Syrian people someday will be able to provide again for themselves and not need this assistance.

Question: And that's a perfect key to my next question. Solution in Syria. you are aware that the countries in the region are opening up to Assad again, and you also have the EU signaling overture to the Syrian regime and Assad. How do you deal with that?

Answer: For the United States, our policy continues to be that we will not normalize with the regime in Syria until there's been authentic and enduring progress on the goals of resolution 2254, until the human rights of the Syrian people are respected and until they have the civil and human rights that they deserve. We know other countries have engaged with the regime. When those engagements happen, we don't support them, but we remind the countries that are engaged that they should be using their engagements to push forward on the shared international goals under 2254, and that whatever it is that they're doing should be for the sake of improving the situation of the Syrian people.

Question: Let's say that all of the countries decided to talk to Assad, aren’t you worried that the US will be alienated in the process?

Answer: The US will remain true to our own principles and our own policies and our own laws, and the path for the regime in Syria to change its relationship with us is very clear, if they change the behaviors that led to the laws that we have and to the policies that we have, if those behaviors change and the circumstances inside of Syria change, then it's possible to have a different kind of relationship, but that's where it has to start.

Question: My last question to you before you leave, if you have to pick one thing that you need to do in Syria today, what is it that you would like to see happening today?

Answer: So there are a number of things, I think that will always be left and that there are things that we will try to do, to try to make them happen. We want to hold people accountable in Syria for things that have happened. So even today, we observed something called the International Day for victims of enforced disappearances, there are people that are missing, and we're trying to draw attention to the need to account for the missing people. So our step today was to sanction a number of officials who were responsible for enforced disappearances, but we also created something called the independent institution for missing persons, and that helps the families, in the non-political way, get information on what's happened. So I'd like to see some peace for the families of the missing people. I'd like to see the beginning of a political process, there hasn't been a meeting of the constitutional committee in two years, and I think that's because the regime has not been cooperating in political process steps. So we need to change that situation. And I would, of course, like it's important to see the continuation of the things that we were talking about, so keeping ISIS from reemerging and maintaining assistance as necessary in the humanitarian sphere. So all these things, some of them are ongoing, and some of them remain to be achieved. But the Syrian people deserve all aspects of our policy to be fulfilled and for them to be able to return to a normal life.