Lebanon Cen Bank Governor to Asharq Al-Awsat: My Conscience Is Clear, Campaign Against Me Is Political

Riad Salameh, the governor of Lebanon's Central Bank, speaks during a press conference, in Beirut, Lebanon, Nov. 11, 2019. (AP)
Riad Salameh, the governor of Lebanon's Central Bank, speaks during a press conference, in Beirut, Lebanon, Nov. 11, 2019. (AP)
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Lebanon Cen Bank Governor to Asharq Al-Awsat: My Conscience Is Clear, Campaign Against Me Is Political

Riad Salameh, the governor of Lebanon's Central Bank, speaks during a press conference, in Beirut, Lebanon, Nov. 11, 2019. (AP)
Riad Salameh, the governor of Lebanon's Central Bank, speaks during a press conference, in Beirut, Lebanon, Nov. 11, 2019. (AP)

The daily protests that surround Lebanon's Central Bank in the heart of the capital Beirut have not impacted the operations at the building. On its sixth floor, Governor Riad Salameh spends the majority of his day in meetings and keeping an eye on global markets and the fluctuation of the local currency against the dollar.

Sitting down for an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat, Salameh said his "conscience is clear" in spite of the criticism that has held him responsible for the collapse of Lebanon's economy.

The collapse started in March 2020 with the previous government's default on its Eurobond debt for the first time as it sought to restructure agreements due to its spiraling financial crisis that hit foreign currency reserves. Salameh has tirelessly been issuing circulars aimed at "easing the severity of the crisis and averting the major collapse."

The latest such circular, number 161, allows owners of deposits in Lebanese pounds to withdraw them and their salaries in US dollars according to the Central Bank's rate on the Sayrafa platform. This led to a major improvement in the exchange rate from 33,000 LL to the dollar on the black market to 19,000.

Salameh explained that the purpose was to reign in the black market. He stressed that the Central Bank's intervention helped restore 35% of the value of the pound.

He wondered at the criticism that was still being thrown his way in spite of the improvement in the exchange rate. The new rate should help improve the people's purchasing power, he remarked.

But the ongoing criticism leveled against him is politically motivated and is rooted in interests in the black market, he charged. "Some sides were particularly bothered that the recent measure has eliminated the black market and allowed Sayrafa to be the main platform whereby everyone would have to abide by the rate it sets."

"This all favors the country," stressed Salameh.

Asked whether the measure will help maintain the pound at 20,000 to the dollar, he replied: "The market will do the talking. We will not intervene to introduce a fixed exchange rate. We will let developments take their course in the market."

"We will be around to prevent the reoccurrence of severe fluctuations," he added. "The Sayrafa platform now has the monetary ability to intervene in dollars" to thwart any major drop in the pound.

IMF negotiations
Salameh said Lebanon was holding almost daily meetings with the International Monetary Fund (IMF). He described the virtual talks as "serious", revealing that the IMF was still gathering information about the situation.

A government committee has been formed to begin preparing the program for Lebanon.

Salameh did not disclose when he believed an understanding would be reached with the IMF, while also denying that it was tied to the upcoming parliamentary elections set for May.

The IMF is solely concerned with the presence of an effective government that it can negotiate with, he went on to say.

He revealed that should a program be reached and should Lebanon commit to it, then other countries may join the bailout "and we may secure 12 - 15 billion dollars, which is enough for Lebanon to recover."

On how long Lebanon will need to overcome its crisis, Salameh said: "The sooner reforms are implemented, the sooner the crisis will end."

"Trust is the key factor that will restore funds and lead to the economic recovery," he stressed to Asharq Al-Awsat.

He denied claims that the easing of the currency fluctuation is tied to the elections, whereby the authorities are using the stabilization to give the impression that they are in control of the situation so people would reelect them.

"The government's main concern at the moment is combating inflation that is impoverishing the people," he stated. "It is not thinking about the elections and political gains. It is focusing in approving a state budget that would attract confidence and, most importantly, lead to negotiations with the IMF."

Furthermore, Salameh rejected accusations that the Central Bank had spent the savings of depositors.

"We do not own the savings in the first place," he stated. "The major loss in the banking sector is blamed on the halt in payments. The banks had a huge eurobond wallet that they lost. These were depositor funds that they directly employed in service of the state."

"The majority of the funds loaned by the Central Bank to the state were in Lebanese pounds," he clarified.

Asked if the state could resort to gold reserves to end the crisis, Salameh stressed that a law is in place that bars such a move. "We are committed to this law," he said. "Even if a serious reform program is not approved, the gold reserves must not be touched at any cost."

Clear conscience
Amid the unprecedented crisis, Salameh declared: "No one envies my position, but I am here and my conscience is clear."

He said political interests have led to the campaign that has firmly held him responsible for the crisis.

He noted that all other factors have been taken out of the equation and only the Central Bank has been blamed. "This does not make sense," he said. "They want to turn me into a scapegoat."

In the past two years, the Central Bank was the only institution that was financing the public and private sectors, he added. "We confronted all fears, especially those that spoke of impending famine."

"We managed to ease the crisis through dollars that we had collected in advance," he explained, noting that, significantly, no foreign assistance has poured in to help Lebanon.

"On the contrary, Lebanon's image was being destroyed in order to push it towards the great collapse," remarked Salameh. "Perhaps some hold it against us for stopping this collapse."



Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
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Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich has told Asharq Al-Awsat that the US does not plan to withdraw its forces from Syria.

The US is committed to “the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with,” he said.

Here is the full text of the interview.

Question: Mr. Goldrich, thank you so much for taking the time to sit with us today. I know you are leaving your post soon. How do you assess the accomplishments and challenges remaining?

Answer: Thank you very much for the chance to talk with you today. I've been in this position for three years, and so at the end of three years, I can see that there's a lot that we accomplished and a lot that we have left to do. But at the beginning of a time I was here, we had just completed a review of our Syria policy, and we saw that we needed to focus on reducing suffering for the people in Syria. We needed to reduce violence. We needed to hold the regime accountable for things that are done and most importantly, from the US perspective, we needed to keep ISIS from reemerging as a threat to our country and to other countries. At the same time, we also realized that there wouldn't be a solution to the crisis until there was a political process under resolution 2254, so in each of these areas, we've seen both progress and challenges, but of course, on ISIS, we have prevented the reemergence of the threat from northeast Syria, and we've helped deal with people that needed to be repatriated out of the prisons, and we dealt with displaced people in al-Hol to reduce the numbers there. We helped provide for stabilization in those parts of Syria.

Question: I want to talk a little bit about the ISIS situation now that the US troops are still there, do you envision a timeline where they will be withdrawn? Because there were some reports in the press that there is a plan from the Biden administration to withdraw.

Answer: Yeah. So right now, our focus is on the mission that we have there to keep ISIS from reemerging. So I know there have been reports, but I want to make clear that we remain committed to the role that we play in that part of Syria, to the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with, and to the need to prevent that threat from reemerging.

Question: So you can assure people who are saying that you might withdraw, that you are remaining for the time being?

Answer: Yes, and that we remain committed to this mission which needs to continue to be pursued.

Question: You also mentioned the importance of humanitarian aid. The US has been leading on this. Are you satisfied with where you are today on the humanitarian front in Syria?

Answer: We remain committed to the role that we play to provide for humanitarian assistance in Syria. Of the money that was pledged in Brussels, we pledged $593 million just this past spring, and we overall, since the beginning of the conflict, have provided $18 billion both to help the Syrians who are inside of Syria and to help the refugees who are in surrounding countries. And so we remain committed to providing that assistance, and we remain keenly aware that 90% of Syrians are living in poverty right now, and that there's been suffering there. We're doing everything we can to reduce the suffering, but I think where we would really like to be is where there's a larger solution to the whole crisis, so Syrian people someday will be able to provide again for themselves and not need this assistance.

Question: And that's a perfect key to my next question. Solution in Syria. you are aware that the countries in the region are opening up to Assad again, and you also have the EU signaling overture to the Syrian regime and Assad. How do you deal with that?

Answer: For the United States, our policy continues to be that we will not normalize with the regime in Syria until there's been authentic and enduring progress on the goals of resolution 2254, until the human rights of the Syrian people are respected and until they have the civil and human rights that they deserve. We know other countries have engaged with the regime. When those engagements happen, we don't support them, but we remind the countries that are engaged that they should be using their engagements to push forward on the shared international goals under 2254, and that whatever it is that they're doing should be for the sake of improving the situation of the Syrian people.

Question: Let's say that all of the countries decided to talk to Assad, aren’t you worried that the US will be alienated in the process?

Answer: The US will remain true to our own principles and our own policies and our own laws, and the path for the regime in Syria to change its relationship with us is very clear, if they change the behaviors that led to the laws that we have and to the policies that we have, if those behaviors change and the circumstances inside of Syria change, then it's possible to have a different kind of relationship, but that's where it has to start.

Question: My last question to you before you leave, if you have to pick one thing that you need to do in Syria today, what is it that you would like to see happening today?

Answer: So there are a number of things, I think that will always be left and that there are things that we will try to do, to try to make them happen. We want to hold people accountable in Syria for things that have happened. So even today, we observed something called the International Day for victims of enforced disappearances, there are people that are missing, and we're trying to draw attention to the need to account for the missing people. So our step today was to sanction a number of officials who were responsible for enforced disappearances, but we also created something called the independent institution for missing persons, and that helps the families, in the non-political way, get information on what's happened. So I'd like to see some peace for the families of the missing people. I'd like to see the beginning of a political process, there hasn't been a meeting of the constitutional committee in two years, and I think that's because the regime has not been cooperating in political process steps. So we need to change that situation. And I would, of course, like it's important to see the continuation of the things that we were talking about, so keeping ISIS from reemerging and maintaining assistance as necessary in the humanitarian sphere. So all these things, some of them are ongoing, and some of them remain to be achieved. But the Syrian people deserve all aspects of our policy to be fulfilled and for them to be able to return to a normal life.