Former French Ambassador to Asharq Al-Awsat: Washington Accused Us of Lying about WMD in Iraq

Former Ambassador Maurice Gourdault-Montagne with late French President Jacques Chirac (Getty)
Former Ambassador Maurice Gourdault-Montagne with late French President Jacques Chirac (Getty)
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Former French Ambassador to Asharq Al-Awsat: Washington Accused Us of Lying about WMD in Iraq

Former Ambassador Maurice Gourdault-Montagne with late French President Jacques Chirac (Getty)
Former Ambassador Maurice Gourdault-Montagne with late French President Jacques Chirac (Getty)

Former French Ambassador Maurice Gourdault-Montagne, who recently published a remarkable book entitled "The Others Don't Think Like Us," experienced the US invasion of Iraq "first hand."

Gourdault-Montagne served as the diplomatic adviser to late French President Jacques Chirac and his representative at the G7 and G20 in the summer of 2002 and until the end of Chirac's second term.

The diplomat participated in all presidential meetings that preceded the US military operation in Iraq. Paris tried to dissuade Washington from its military "adventure," asserting that the UN Security Council must back any military intervention.

On the occasion of the 20th anniversary of the Iraq war, Asharq Al-Awsat interviewed Gourdault-Montagne, revealing many of the meetings he attended in Washington and worldwide, which led to two contradictory visions.

The first, backed by the US administration under President George W. Bush, wanted war at any cost. The second centered around France, which hinted at resorting to its veto right against any US draft resolution.

The ambassador also recounted the details of several summits he attended alongside Chirac, namely the NATO summit in Prague in 2002, which revealed Bush's desire to overthrow the regime of President Saddam Hussein, claiming he possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

Asharq Al-Awsat asked the diplomat about the last chapter of his book, which detailed the confrontation between Chirac and Bush during the Prague Summit.

Gourdault-Montagne recalled that the summit occurred when the Middle East was on the verge of war. Chirac sought to discourage Bush from embarking on an adventure with miscalculated results.

During the meeting, Bush did not even look at Chirac, said the former official, adding that what the French President said can be summed up as follows: a war against Iraq would destabilize the region, bringing Iran-loyalist Shiites to power in Baghdad and strengthening Tehran's influence in Syria and Lebanon through Hezbollah.

Chirac told Bush that his war didn't have legal grounds and would create division within the international community, warning that it would be a source of chaos leading to terrorism.

Gourdault-Montagne said that, even before Prague, France was convinced that Washington was going to war at any cost. He recalled Bush's famous speech at the West Point military base, where he spoke of the "Axis of Evil," which included Iraq.

Washington believed at the time that the Middle East was necessary for global balance, and it was essential to impose a "new Middle East" as it envisioned. However, things did not go according to their vision.

He noted that the US might have successfully formed a coalition of 49 countries to intervene in Iraq. Still, major countries led by France, Russia, and China rejected their plans.

"We adhered to a clear position, which states that there is no legitimacy for military action in Iraq without a Security Council resolution."

Chirac believed that Saddam's acceptance of the inspection meant that he lost part of his authority, which would collapse due to the structure of his regime, meaning there was no need to rush into a military operation that lacked legitimacy.

Gourdault-Montagne also recalled the widespread rejection of the war and the worldwide demonstrations against it.

Asharq Al-Awsat asked the diplomat about his analysis of Bush and Chirac's meeting. He indicated that it was clear Bush was refusing dialogue, and the French delegation came out of the meeting convinced that the US was proceeding with its plan.

He noted that the US accused France of lying, adding that the Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz told him, "we know that you know" that Iraq possessed WMD, but "you want to cover up and protect the regime."

The US pressured France, seeking to legitimize the military intervention, said Gourdault-Montagne, adding that Paris resisted, which led to the differences between the two countries.

At the beginning of 2013, Chirac asked Gourdault-Montagne to travel to Washington to clarify the situation and inquire about the latest US position.

The French diplomat asked Bush's National Security Adviser, Condoleezza Rice, about their demands to abandon the war.

"What are your conditions?" he said, and Rice replied firmly: "For Saddam to step down."

Paris then realized that Washington wanted a regime change, and the issue of weapons of mass destruction was just an excuse.

The US administration did not notify France of the launch date of the military operation, for which preparations were in full swing, according to Gourdault-Montagne.

At the beginning of March, Chirac held a press conference warning that the war was coming and that France did its best to prevent it but failed.

Regarding weapons of mass destruction, Asharq Al-Awsat asked if it was just an excuse or whether the US had evidence.

He asserted that France did not receive any information confirming Washington's claims. He indicated that US Secretary of State Colin Powell is a respectable man and was sincere in his speech at the Security Council, during which he gave false information about the war.

Gourdault-Montagne believed that Powell thought the information he received from the intelligence services was reliable and accurate. In 2008, Powell expressed disappointment and shame at what he said.

After 20 years, France was right in trying to prevent the war, and although it failed, it did not violate international laws, said the diplomat.

The war led to the emergence of new powers, the so-called "emerging" countries, and created imbalances in the existing alliances, as NATO member states, such as France and Germany, refused to support the US.

Asked about the US mistakes after occupying Iraq, including the disbanding of the Iraqi army at the hands of the US envoy and Iraq's ruler, Paul Bremer, the French diplomat noted that Saddam's regime was a dictatorship that ruled Iraq with an iron fist.

The decision of Bremer, who lacked experience, had consequences after soldiers took up arms in their communities, according to Gourdault-Montagne, who said that weapons with complex problems could lead to civil wars.

Addressing current events, Gourdault-Montagne believes the next two years will be challenging amid the US-Chinese competition. He referred to the presidential elections in Taiwan at the beginning of 2024 and the US elections in November 2024.

He also indicated that Washington would seek to drag the Europeans and NATO into a confrontation with China, and Beijing would seek to mobilize its trade and economic partners.

Last June, the final statement of the NATO summit warned that China poses a "systemic challenge to the Euro-Atlantic region," and Gourdault-Montagne cautioned that it could drag the Alliance into a US-Chinese competition, despite the opposition of some European countries, including France and Germany.

The visit of German Chancellor Olaf Scholz to Beijing and that of the French President next month are essential because they present views different than that of the US, said Gourdault-Montagne.

He concluded that the US plan was based on framing global security around NATO.



Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
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Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich has told Asharq Al-Awsat that the US does not plan to withdraw its forces from Syria.

The US is committed to “the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with,” he said.

Here is the full text of the interview.

Question: Mr. Goldrich, thank you so much for taking the time to sit with us today. I know you are leaving your post soon. How do you assess the accomplishments and challenges remaining?

Answer: Thank you very much for the chance to talk with you today. I've been in this position for three years, and so at the end of three years, I can see that there's a lot that we accomplished and a lot that we have left to do. But at the beginning of a time I was here, we had just completed a review of our Syria policy, and we saw that we needed to focus on reducing suffering for the people in Syria. We needed to reduce violence. We needed to hold the regime accountable for things that are done and most importantly, from the US perspective, we needed to keep ISIS from reemerging as a threat to our country and to other countries. At the same time, we also realized that there wouldn't be a solution to the crisis until there was a political process under resolution 2254, so in each of these areas, we've seen both progress and challenges, but of course, on ISIS, we have prevented the reemergence of the threat from northeast Syria, and we've helped deal with people that needed to be repatriated out of the prisons, and we dealt with displaced people in al-Hol to reduce the numbers there. We helped provide for stabilization in those parts of Syria.

Question: I want to talk a little bit about the ISIS situation now that the US troops are still there, do you envision a timeline where they will be withdrawn? Because there were some reports in the press that there is a plan from the Biden administration to withdraw.

Answer: Yeah. So right now, our focus is on the mission that we have there to keep ISIS from reemerging. So I know there have been reports, but I want to make clear that we remain committed to the role that we play in that part of Syria, to the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with, and to the need to prevent that threat from reemerging.

Question: So you can assure people who are saying that you might withdraw, that you are remaining for the time being?

Answer: Yes, and that we remain committed to this mission which needs to continue to be pursued.

Question: You also mentioned the importance of humanitarian aid. The US has been leading on this. Are you satisfied with where you are today on the humanitarian front in Syria?

Answer: We remain committed to the role that we play to provide for humanitarian assistance in Syria. Of the money that was pledged in Brussels, we pledged $593 million just this past spring, and we overall, since the beginning of the conflict, have provided $18 billion both to help the Syrians who are inside of Syria and to help the refugees who are in surrounding countries. And so we remain committed to providing that assistance, and we remain keenly aware that 90% of Syrians are living in poverty right now, and that there's been suffering there. We're doing everything we can to reduce the suffering, but I think where we would really like to be is where there's a larger solution to the whole crisis, so Syrian people someday will be able to provide again for themselves and not need this assistance.

Question: And that's a perfect key to my next question. Solution in Syria. you are aware that the countries in the region are opening up to Assad again, and you also have the EU signaling overture to the Syrian regime and Assad. How do you deal with that?

Answer: For the United States, our policy continues to be that we will not normalize with the regime in Syria until there's been authentic and enduring progress on the goals of resolution 2254, until the human rights of the Syrian people are respected and until they have the civil and human rights that they deserve. We know other countries have engaged with the regime. When those engagements happen, we don't support them, but we remind the countries that are engaged that they should be using their engagements to push forward on the shared international goals under 2254, and that whatever it is that they're doing should be for the sake of improving the situation of the Syrian people.

Question: Let's say that all of the countries decided to talk to Assad, aren’t you worried that the US will be alienated in the process?

Answer: The US will remain true to our own principles and our own policies and our own laws, and the path for the regime in Syria to change its relationship with us is very clear, if they change the behaviors that led to the laws that we have and to the policies that we have, if those behaviors change and the circumstances inside of Syria change, then it's possible to have a different kind of relationship, but that's where it has to start.

Question: My last question to you before you leave, if you have to pick one thing that you need to do in Syria today, what is it that you would like to see happening today?

Answer: So there are a number of things, I think that will always be left and that there are things that we will try to do, to try to make them happen. We want to hold people accountable in Syria for things that have happened. So even today, we observed something called the International Day for victims of enforced disappearances, there are people that are missing, and we're trying to draw attention to the need to account for the missing people. So our step today was to sanction a number of officials who were responsible for enforced disappearances, but we also created something called the independent institution for missing persons, and that helps the families, in the non-political way, get information on what's happened. So I'd like to see some peace for the families of the missing people. I'd like to see the beginning of a political process, there hasn't been a meeting of the constitutional committee in two years, and I think that's because the regime has not been cooperating in political process steps. So we need to change that situation. And I would, of course, like it's important to see the continuation of the things that we were talking about, so keeping ISIS from reemerging and maintaining assistance as necessary in the humanitarian sphere. So all these things, some of them are ongoing, and some of them remain to be achieved. But the Syrian people deserve all aspects of our policy to be fulfilled and for them to be able to return to a normal life.