UfM Secretary-General to Asharq Al-Awsat: Regional Cooperation Is Now Inevitable

 Union for the Mediterranean (UfM) Secretary-General Nasser Kamel. (Asharq Al-Awsat)
Union for the Mediterranean (UfM) Secretary-General Nasser Kamel. (Asharq Al-Awsat)
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UfM Secretary-General to Asharq Al-Awsat: Regional Cooperation Is Now Inevitable

 Union for the Mediterranean (UfM) Secretary-General Nasser Kamel. (Asharq Al-Awsat)
Union for the Mediterranean (UfM) Secretary-General Nasser Kamel. (Asharq Al-Awsat)

Foreign ministers of the Union for the Mediterranean (UfM) countries are meeting in Barcelona this Thursday to discuss ways of strengthening Euro-Mediterranean cooperation and facing the climate challenges that threaten economic development in the region.

In an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat on the eve of the conference, UfM Secretary-General Ambassador Nasser Kamel said the Euro-Mediterranean region, with its 43 states did not have an option but to become a cooperative and integrated bloc if it wanted to have its voice heard in tomorrow’s world.

“The geostrategic situation and the relative stability of the region had given way to further strengthening regional cooperation in all matters relating to sustainable development in the Mediterranean basin,” he noted.

“Tomorrow (Thursday), we need to review the Union’s activities in our six areas of interest, including climate change, new and renewable energy, business and trade, scientific research and education, social affairs, specifically women’s and youth empowerment, infrastructure and urban development, and environment and water,” Kamel underlined.

He explained that the evaluation of the Union’s activities would be based on the road map adopted by the UfM foreign ministers in 2017, noting that the participants would also set the necessary directives to give a new impetus to the Euro-Mediterranean cooperation 25 years after the announcement of the Barcelona Declaration.

Asked about cooperation between North and South Mediterranean countries, given the economic disparities and various political challenges, Kamel said: “This cooperation is not only a political will, I think it is an urgent necessity. The past ten years have unquestionably confirmed that what happens in one of the two shores of the Mediterranean adversely or negatively affects the opposite bank.”

He went on to say that the effects of the so-called “Arab Spring” had real repercussions on EU countries, mainly the emigration crisis and its resulting tension.

“The Euro-Mediterranean region, with its 43 countries… can only become a cooperative and integrated bloc if it is to have a voice in tomorrow’s world, where economic powers such as China and India are rising alongside the American economic giant. Thus, regional integration is not an option; it is now inevitable, so our voice can be heard in the international economic scene,” Kamel emphasized.

On whether the UfM foreign ministers meeting would adopt a plan of action to reverse the effects of climate change, in light with the recent report on climate change in the region, he said: “The Union for the Mediterranean is a regional window for the implementation of the sustainable development goals set by the international community through the United Nations. One of the priorities of these goals is to deal with climate change.”

He noted that a network of more than 80 scientists from across the Euro-Mediterranean region (Medecc) undertook a major and unprecedented report to serve as the largest scientific assessment of regional climate and environmental change in the Mediterranean region.

The study concluded that the Mediterranean region was the second most affected by climate change, after Antarctica, he warned.

He stressed that the potential repercussions of climate change led the UfM to address the issue from a holistic perspective and saw it as an opportunity to promote economic and commercial cooperation and integration “based on a blue economy that is capable of dealing with the inevitable negative impacts of climate change on one hand, and creating jobs and economic growth associated with sustainable and environmentally-friendly development on the other.”

Kamel underlined several initiatives launched by Mediterranean countries to protect the environment, including the experiences of Egypt and Morocco in the field of new and renewable energy.

“The two countries have decided to invest for years in solar energy, where they have developed one of the largest solar power plants in the world. The same applies to wind power in a number of countries, such as Jordan and Tunisia,” he remarked.

The UfM secretary-general also touched on economic cooperation between Mediterranean countries, saying that it had improved relatively over the past three years.

“Although there are some hotbeds of tension in the Mediterranean basin, the degree of political stability has increased, along with the economic growth rates in the southern Mediterranean countries, which reached about 3 percent in some countries and exceeded 5 and 6 percent in both Egypt and Morocco,” he stated, adding: “But the challenge we have not yet achieved is to create a comprehensive Euro-Mediterranean free trade area. The reasons, of course, are known: the absence of a just settlement of the Palestinian issue.”

On the emigration file, Kamel emphasized that the crisis reached its climax in 2013, 2014 and 2015.

“What we are witnessing today is by no means comparable to previous flows. This is due to the relative improvement in the political and economic conditions of the countries of the region and the more effective policies of controlling illegal immigration in the countries of the North and South,” he affirmed.



Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
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Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich has told Asharq Al-Awsat that the US does not plan to withdraw its forces from Syria.

The US is committed to “the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with,” he said.

Here is the full text of the interview.

Question: Mr. Goldrich, thank you so much for taking the time to sit with us today. I know you are leaving your post soon. How do you assess the accomplishments and challenges remaining?

Answer: Thank you very much for the chance to talk with you today. I've been in this position for three years, and so at the end of three years, I can see that there's a lot that we accomplished and a lot that we have left to do. But at the beginning of a time I was here, we had just completed a review of our Syria policy, and we saw that we needed to focus on reducing suffering for the people in Syria. We needed to reduce violence. We needed to hold the regime accountable for things that are done and most importantly, from the US perspective, we needed to keep ISIS from reemerging as a threat to our country and to other countries. At the same time, we also realized that there wouldn't be a solution to the crisis until there was a political process under resolution 2254, so in each of these areas, we've seen both progress and challenges, but of course, on ISIS, we have prevented the reemergence of the threat from northeast Syria, and we've helped deal with people that needed to be repatriated out of the prisons, and we dealt with displaced people in al-Hol to reduce the numbers there. We helped provide for stabilization in those parts of Syria.

Question: I want to talk a little bit about the ISIS situation now that the US troops are still there, do you envision a timeline where they will be withdrawn? Because there were some reports in the press that there is a plan from the Biden administration to withdraw.

Answer: Yeah. So right now, our focus is on the mission that we have there to keep ISIS from reemerging. So I know there have been reports, but I want to make clear that we remain committed to the role that we play in that part of Syria, to the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with, and to the need to prevent that threat from reemerging.

Question: So you can assure people who are saying that you might withdraw, that you are remaining for the time being?

Answer: Yes, and that we remain committed to this mission which needs to continue to be pursued.

Question: You also mentioned the importance of humanitarian aid. The US has been leading on this. Are you satisfied with where you are today on the humanitarian front in Syria?

Answer: We remain committed to the role that we play to provide for humanitarian assistance in Syria. Of the money that was pledged in Brussels, we pledged $593 million just this past spring, and we overall, since the beginning of the conflict, have provided $18 billion both to help the Syrians who are inside of Syria and to help the refugees who are in surrounding countries. And so we remain committed to providing that assistance, and we remain keenly aware that 90% of Syrians are living in poverty right now, and that there's been suffering there. We're doing everything we can to reduce the suffering, but I think where we would really like to be is where there's a larger solution to the whole crisis, so Syrian people someday will be able to provide again for themselves and not need this assistance.

Question: And that's a perfect key to my next question. Solution in Syria. you are aware that the countries in the region are opening up to Assad again, and you also have the EU signaling overture to the Syrian regime and Assad. How do you deal with that?

Answer: For the United States, our policy continues to be that we will not normalize with the regime in Syria until there's been authentic and enduring progress on the goals of resolution 2254, until the human rights of the Syrian people are respected and until they have the civil and human rights that they deserve. We know other countries have engaged with the regime. When those engagements happen, we don't support them, but we remind the countries that are engaged that they should be using their engagements to push forward on the shared international goals under 2254, and that whatever it is that they're doing should be for the sake of improving the situation of the Syrian people.

Question: Let's say that all of the countries decided to talk to Assad, aren’t you worried that the US will be alienated in the process?

Answer: The US will remain true to our own principles and our own policies and our own laws, and the path for the regime in Syria to change its relationship with us is very clear, if they change the behaviors that led to the laws that we have and to the policies that we have, if those behaviors change and the circumstances inside of Syria change, then it's possible to have a different kind of relationship, but that's where it has to start.

Question: My last question to you before you leave, if you have to pick one thing that you need to do in Syria today, what is it that you would like to see happening today?

Answer: So there are a number of things, I think that will always be left and that there are things that we will try to do, to try to make them happen. We want to hold people accountable in Syria for things that have happened. So even today, we observed something called the International Day for victims of enforced disappearances, there are people that are missing, and we're trying to draw attention to the need to account for the missing people. So our step today was to sanction a number of officials who were responsible for enforced disappearances, but we also created something called the independent institution for missing persons, and that helps the families, in the non-political way, get information on what's happened. So I'd like to see some peace for the families of the missing people. I'd like to see the beginning of a political process, there hasn't been a meeting of the constitutional committee in two years, and I think that's because the regime has not been cooperating in political process steps. So we need to change that situation. And I would, of course, like it's important to see the continuation of the things that we were talking about, so keeping ISIS from reemerging and maintaining assistance as necessary in the humanitarian sphere. So all these things, some of them are ongoing, and some of them remain to be achieved. But the Syrian people deserve all aspects of our policy to be fulfilled and for them to be able to return to a normal life.