Iraqi FM to Asharq Al-Awsat: We Are Mediating Between Washington, Tehran

Iraqi Foreign Minister Fuad Hussein during his interview. (Asharq Al-Awsat)
Iraqi Foreign Minister Fuad Hussein during his interview. (Asharq Al-Awsat)
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Iraqi FM to Asharq Al-Awsat: We Are Mediating Between Washington, Tehran

Iraqi Foreign Minister Fuad Hussein during his interview. (Asharq Al-Awsat)
Iraqi Foreign Minister Fuad Hussein during his interview. (Asharq Al-Awsat)

The Iraqi government is playing a role in “bringing opposites together and creating a situation that promotes dialogue” among neighboring countries, especially Arab Gulf states, Türkiye, and Iran, said Iraqi Foreign Minister Fuad Hussein in an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat on the sidelines of the 77th UN General Assembly in New York.

Hussein emphasized that Saudi Arabia plays a vital role on the Gulf, regional, Arab, Islamic, and international levels. He also voiced his belief that if the Kingdom’s relationship with Iran improves, its role will “be bigger and stronger.”

The top Iraqi diplomat hoped that dialogue between Saudi Arabia and Iran would move from the security to the diplomatic level.

Hussein revealed that Baghdad is mediating between the US and Iran because it is in Iraq’s interest to help the two parties in returning to the 2015 nuclear deal. He added that the remaining dispute between Washington and Tehran revolves around “the interdependence between the agreement and solving some problems outside of the deal.”

The minister stressed that the “6 + 4 group,” which includes Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, and Yemen, is not against Iran.

Instead, the “cooperation group” tackles economic and security fields and energy security.

Speaking on Iraq’s present role in bringing the views of various Arab countries closer to other countries, Hussein said: “We play a leading role in the region in bringing together opposites and in creating a dialogue atmosphere rather than going to conflicts.”

“We support dialogue,” affirmed Hussein.

“But when we talk about creating a dialogue situation, the conditions must also be prepared, and there must be mutual recognition between the parties,” explained Hussein, adding that Iraqi foreign policy prioritizes neighboring countries.

Saudi Arabia on Arab, Islamic and int'l levels

When asked about the relationship he shares with Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan, Hussein pointed out that Iraqi diplomacy is keen on holding personal meetings.

“We have good personal relations with all the ministers of the Gulf states, as well as with the foreign ministers of neighboring countries, such as Iran and Türkiye,” said Hussein.

“Our relations are strong, and we can communicate at any time with any minister,” he stressed, adding that most foreign ministers contact Iraq when they are facing trouble with Iran and Türkiye.

“We do our due diligence and don’t announce it,” explained Hussein.

On enhancing the relationship between Saudi Arabia and Iran, Hussein started by noting that the Kingdom plays a significant role in the Gulf, regional, Arab, Islamic, and international environments.

“If the relationship between the Kingdom and neighboring Iran improves, I think that this role will be bigger and stronger.”

Hussein explained that Iraq is keen on maintaining a healthy environment in the region and that any tension between surrounding countries reflects negatively on its situation.

“Whenever there is a good situation and normal relations between these countries, this will positively affect the internal Iraqi situation,” said Hussein.

As for progress on bringing views closer, the FM remarked that concerned countries must comment on the matter because it involves bilateral relations.

According to the minister, discussions between Riyadh, Tehran and Baghdad have started to tackle ways to raise the level of dialogue from a military aspect to a diplomatic one. They have already held five rounds of talks.

“If matters were agreed upon, this would mean that the Saudi-Iranian dialogue in Baghdad would be made public.”

“We hope to reach this stage. We are working in this direction,” confirmed Hussein.

Commenting on complaints regarding Iran’s interference in the internal affairs of Iraq, Hussein said: “This is a bilateral issue between Iraq and Iran.”

Mediating between the US and Iran

Speaking about Iraq’s position on Iran’s contentious nuclear deal, Hussein said: “Iraq's position is clear. We are in favor of reaching an agreement on the nuclear program. We support the Vienna talks.”

“During the last two years, we have been in constant contact between Washington and Tehran, even during elections,” revealed Hussein, stressing that his country is helping both parties.

“The goal of Iraqi policy in this field is to reach an agreement between Iran and the US.”

As to why Iraq is seeking Iranian-American agreement, Hussein explained that that his country is doing so because of the issue’s Arab dimension and the repercussions it could lead to if a deal is not reached.

“Creating another crisis while we have many crises directly affects the region,” said Hussein.

“Second, because of the strong relations between Baghdad and Washington, and the strong relations with neighboring Iran, any tension between the two parties will affect Iraq politically.”

“It is in the Iraqi interest to help the two parties reach a conclusion.”

“I had a meeting (last week) with Iranian Foreign Minister (Hossein Amir) Abdollahian and before that with some American officials to discuss the issue,” revealed Hussein.

“We are still trying to bring the two sides closer together. But there are problems. The issue is that there is a correlation between the agreement and the solution of some problems outside the deal,” he added.

“These problems have started to emerge recently, but we are still in dialogue with the two parties and we will see what unfolds,” noted Hussein, expressing relief that both parties trust Iraq.

“We discuss the Iranian position with the American side, we discuss the American position with the Iranian side, and we try to find ways to reach understandings.”

Hussein refrained from responding to a question on whether he believes that a US-Iranian agreement could be reached and repeated that he wishes for a deal to come through.



Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
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Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich has told Asharq Al-Awsat that the US does not plan to withdraw its forces from Syria.

The US is committed to “the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with,” he said.

Here is the full text of the interview.

Question: Mr. Goldrich, thank you so much for taking the time to sit with us today. I know you are leaving your post soon. How do you assess the accomplishments and challenges remaining?

Answer: Thank you very much for the chance to talk with you today. I've been in this position for three years, and so at the end of three years, I can see that there's a lot that we accomplished and a lot that we have left to do. But at the beginning of a time I was here, we had just completed a review of our Syria policy, and we saw that we needed to focus on reducing suffering for the people in Syria. We needed to reduce violence. We needed to hold the regime accountable for things that are done and most importantly, from the US perspective, we needed to keep ISIS from reemerging as a threat to our country and to other countries. At the same time, we also realized that there wouldn't be a solution to the crisis until there was a political process under resolution 2254, so in each of these areas, we've seen both progress and challenges, but of course, on ISIS, we have prevented the reemergence of the threat from northeast Syria, and we've helped deal with people that needed to be repatriated out of the prisons, and we dealt with displaced people in al-Hol to reduce the numbers there. We helped provide for stabilization in those parts of Syria.

Question: I want to talk a little bit about the ISIS situation now that the US troops are still there, do you envision a timeline where they will be withdrawn? Because there were some reports in the press that there is a plan from the Biden administration to withdraw.

Answer: Yeah. So right now, our focus is on the mission that we have there to keep ISIS from reemerging. So I know there have been reports, but I want to make clear that we remain committed to the role that we play in that part of Syria, to the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with, and to the need to prevent that threat from reemerging.

Question: So you can assure people who are saying that you might withdraw, that you are remaining for the time being?

Answer: Yes, and that we remain committed to this mission which needs to continue to be pursued.

Question: You also mentioned the importance of humanitarian aid. The US has been leading on this. Are you satisfied with where you are today on the humanitarian front in Syria?

Answer: We remain committed to the role that we play to provide for humanitarian assistance in Syria. Of the money that was pledged in Brussels, we pledged $593 million just this past spring, and we overall, since the beginning of the conflict, have provided $18 billion both to help the Syrians who are inside of Syria and to help the refugees who are in surrounding countries. And so we remain committed to providing that assistance, and we remain keenly aware that 90% of Syrians are living in poverty right now, and that there's been suffering there. We're doing everything we can to reduce the suffering, but I think where we would really like to be is where there's a larger solution to the whole crisis, so Syrian people someday will be able to provide again for themselves and not need this assistance.

Question: And that's a perfect key to my next question. Solution in Syria. you are aware that the countries in the region are opening up to Assad again, and you also have the EU signaling overture to the Syrian regime and Assad. How do you deal with that?

Answer: For the United States, our policy continues to be that we will not normalize with the regime in Syria until there's been authentic and enduring progress on the goals of resolution 2254, until the human rights of the Syrian people are respected and until they have the civil and human rights that they deserve. We know other countries have engaged with the regime. When those engagements happen, we don't support them, but we remind the countries that are engaged that they should be using their engagements to push forward on the shared international goals under 2254, and that whatever it is that they're doing should be for the sake of improving the situation of the Syrian people.

Question: Let's say that all of the countries decided to talk to Assad, aren’t you worried that the US will be alienated in the process?

Answer: The US will remain true to our own principles and our own policies and our own laws, and the path for the regime in Syria to change its relationship with us is very clear, if they change the behaviors that led to the laws that we have and to the policies that we have, if those behaviors change and the circumstances inside of Syria change, then it's possible to have a different kind of relationship, but that's where it has to start.

Question: My last question to you before you leave, if you have to pick one thing that you need to do in Syria today, what is it that you would like to see happening today?

Answer: So there are a number of things, I think that will always be left and that there are things that we will try to do, to try to make them happen. We want to hold people accountable in Syria for things that have happened. So even today, we observed something called the International Day for victims of enforced disappearances, there are people that are missing, and we're trying to draw attention to the need to account for the missing people. So our step today was to sanction a number of officials who were responsible for enforced disappearances, but we also created something called the independent institution for missing persons, and that helps the families, in the non-political way, get information on what's happened. So I'd like to see some peace for the families of the missing people. I'd like to see the beginning of a political process, there hasn't been a meeting of the constitutional committee in two years, and I think that's because the regime has not been cooperating in political process steps. So we need to change that situation. And I would, of course, like it's important to see the continuation of the things that we were talking about, so keeping ISIS from reemerging and maintaining assistance as necessary in the humanitarian sphere. So all these things, some of them are ongoing, and some of them remain to be achieved. But the Syrian people deserve all aspects of our policy to be fulfilled and for them to be able to return to a normal life.