Sisi: Saudi Arabia is Making Giant Strides

Egyptian President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi sits for an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat Editor-in-Chief Ghassan Charbel. (Asharq Al-Awsat)
Egyptian President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi sits for an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat Editor-in-Chief Ghassan Charbel. (Asharq Al-Awsat)
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Sisi: Saudi Arabia is Making Giant Strides

Egyptian President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi sits for an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat Editor-in-Chief Ghassan Charbel. (Asharq Al-Awsat)
Egyptian President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi sits for an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat Editor-in-Chief Ghassan Charbel. (Asharq Al-Awsat)

Egyptian President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi said that Saudi Arabia is “making giant strides on more than one level”.

“These steps are cautious and bold”, he stressed. “I honestly say that our brothers in Saudi Arabia manage things wisely and firmly, and that's why I tell them we're always together.”

Sisi praised the approach adopted by the Saudi leadership at the political, economic and social levels and welcomed the mending of ties with Iraq.

In an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat on the sidelines of the World Youth Forum in Sharm al-Sheikh, the Egyptian president underlined his commitment to strategic relations with the Kingdom, stressing that Egypt’s stability “depends on the stability in Saudi Arabia and vice-versa.”

“Saudi Arabia's moderate approach, its focus on the comprehensive confrontation of extremism and its sources, its rejection of fanaticism… and its emphasis on the values of openness, coexistence, partnership and modernity are all reassuring factors,” he stated.

Sisi highly valued the recent rapprochement between the Kingdom and Iraq, saying: “Saudi Arabia's move towards Iraq is really wonderful, a message to others that, we, as Arabs, can be a tremendous force if we are united. Our brothers in Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Bahrain are fully aware of the dangers of interventions and destabilizing policies, and are conscious of the importance of fortifying Arab national security.”

Commenting on the World Youth Forum hosted by Egypt, he said: “When we talk about the future, we talk about the youth. We always seek to meet with the youth and listen to their thoughts, aspirations and concerns.”

“I believe that lack of communication with the youth was the main reasons behind revolutions in Egypt, Libya and Syria,” he added.

Asked about the parties behind terrorism in Egypt, Sisi warned that forces targeting his country were also threatening the whole region. He noted in this regard that those forces consisted of extremist organizations or regional states that seek to destabilize and change the equations.

“Our decision is conclusive in confronting these attacks and attempts, and our will is solid. We, as Arab countries, must unite in defense of our national security and stability against attempts to divide or plunge our countries in chaos and exhaust our economies,” he said.

On the crisis with Qatar, the Egyptian leader stressed that the demands of the Anti-Terrorism Quartet were clear in regards to the need for the Gulf country to stop its support for terrorism and to respect other states’ sovereignty.

“Of course, there is the Kuwaiti mediation that we appreciate, but in the end, all depends on Qatar's reaction. We do not want to dictate policies on others or interfere in their affairs, so we expect them to adopt similar behavior. We want peace and stability in the region, and double standards must be stopped,” he stated.

Commenting on the recent Russian proposal for a solution in Syria, Sisi underlined Egypt’s support for the unity of the Syrian state and its rejection of attempts to divide along on confessional and ethnic lines.

“We support the national state and its territorial integrity and we are against all attempts of division and fragmentation for ethnic or sectarian reasons. We support the sovereignty of these states protected by national armies not by armed militias. We support the national army and reject sectarian militias that lead to the disintegration of nations and their dumping into endless wars,” he firmly said.

Libya is another example of what can happen when the state collapses and militias seek to share the power, Sisi said.

“We want Libya to be stable, to maintain its unity… away from extremism and terrorism. I repeat: we support the national army, not the militias,” he stressed.

On the situation in Lebanon in wake of the resignation of Prime Minister Saad Hariri, Sisi noted that Lebanon’s stability was crucial to Egypt and the Arab world.

“By its very nature, Lebanon is a diverse country. The balance in Lebanon is a condition of stability, and this balance must be maintained without any foreign interference. I have already said that the weakness of the national state gives way to chaos and disorder. I believe that previous experiences will push the Lebanese to save their stability, which is of great concern to us. Lebanon’s stability is important to us and to the Arab world,” the Egyptian president said.

Furthermore, Sisi underlined the importance of the recent Palestinian reconciliation, saying that he hoped it would bolster the peace process.

“Palestinian reconciliation is a vital and important issue for the Palestinian people, and we have encouraged and embraced reconciliation… and we hope that the outcome will serve the peace process. The region needs peace, because its absence has cost the region much and depleted its energy,” he stated.



Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
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Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich has told Asharq Al-Awsat that the US does not plan to withdraw its forces from Syria.

The US is committed to “the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with,” he said.

Here is the full text of the interview.

Question: Mr. Goldrich, thank you so much for taking the time to sit with us today. I know you are leaving your post soon. How do you assess the accomplishments and challenges remaining?

Answer: Thank you very much for the chance to talk with you today. I've been in this position for three years, and so at the end of three years, I can see that there's a lot that we accomplished and a lot that we have left to do. But at the beginning of a time I was here, we had just completed a review of our Syria policy, and we saw that we needed to focus on reducing suffering for the people in Syria. We needed to reduce violence. We needed to hold the regime accountable for things that are done and most importantly, from the US perspective, we needed to keep ISIS from reemerging as a threat to our country and to other countries. At the same time, we also realized that there wouldn't be a solution to the crisis until there was a political process under resolution 2254, so in each of these areas, we've seen both progress and challenges, but of course, on ISIS, we have prevented the reemergence of the threat from northeast Syria, and we've helped deal with people that needed to be repatriated out of the prisons, and we dealt with displaced people in al-Hol to reduce the numbers there. We helped provide for stabilization in those parts of Syria.

Question: I want to talk a little bit about the ISIS situation now that the US troops are still there, do you envision a timeline where they will be withdrawn? Because there were some reports in the press that there is a plan from the Biden administration to withdraw.

Answer: Yeah. So right now, our focus is on the mission that we have there to keep ISIS from reemerging. So I know there have been reports, but I want to make clear that we remain committed to the role that we play in that part of Syria, to the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with, and to the need to prevent that threat from reemerging.

Question: So you can assure people who are saying that you might withdraw, that you are remaining for the time being?

Answer: Yes, and that we remain committed to this mission which needs to continue to be pursued.

Question: You also mentioned the importance of humanitarian aid. The US has been leading on this. Are you satisfied with where you are today on the humanitarian front in Syria?

Answer: We remain committed to the role that we play to provide for humanitarian assistance in Syria. Of the money that was pledged in Brussels, we pledged $593 million just this past spring, and we overall, since the beginning of the conflict, have provided $18 billion both to help the Syrians who are inside of Syria and to help the refugees who are in surrounding countries. And so we remain committed to providing that assistance, and we remain keenly aware that 90% of Syrians are living in poverty right now, and that there's been suffering there. We're doing everything we can to reduce the suffering, but I think where we would really like to be is where there's a larger solution to the whole crisis, so Syrian people someday will be able to provide again for themselves and not need this assistance.

Question: And that's a perfect key to my next question. Solution in Syria. you are aware that the countries in the region are opening up to Assad again, and you also have the EU signaling overture to the Syrian regime and Assad. How do you deal with that?

Answer: For the United States, our policy continues to be that we will not normalize with the regime in Syria until there's been authentic and enduring progress on the goals of resolution 2254, until the human rights of the Syrian people are respected and until they have the civil and human rights that they deserve. We know other countries have engaged with the regime. When those engagements happen, we don't support them, but we remind the countries that are engaged that they should be using their engagements to push forward on the shared international goals under 2254, and that whatever it is that they're doing should be for the sake of improving the situation of the Syrian people.

Question: Let's say that all of the countries decided to talk to Assad, aren’t you worried that the US will be alienated in the process?

Answer: The US will remain true to our own principles and our own policies and our own laws, and the path for the regime in Syria to change its relationship with us is very clear, if they change the behaviors that led to the laws that we have and to the policies that we have, if those behaviors change and the circumstances inside of Syria change, then it's possible to have a different kind of relationship, but that's where it has to start.

Question: My last question to you before you leave, if you have to pick one thing that you need to do in Syria today, what is it that you would like to see happening today?

Answer: So there are a number of things, I think that will always be left and that there are things that we will try to do, to try to make them happen. We want to hold people accountable in Syria for things that have happened. So even today, we observed something called the International Day for victims of enforced disappearances, there are people that are missing, and we're trying to draw attention to the need to account for the missing people. So our step today was to sanction a number of officials who were responsible for enforced disappearances, but we also created something called the independent institution for missing persons, and that helps the families, in the non-political way, get information on what's happened. So I'd like to see some peace for the families of the missing people. I'd like to see the beginning of a political process, there hasn't been a meeting of the constitutional committee in two years, and I think that's because the regime has not been cooperating in political process steps. So we need to change that situation. And I would, of course, like it's important to see the continuation of the things that we were talking about, so keeping ISIS from reemerging and maintaining assistance as necessary in the humanitarian sphere. So all these things, some of them are ongoing, and some of them remain to be achieved. But the Syrian people deserve all aspects of our policy to be fulfilled and for them to be able to return to a normal life.