Exclusive - Ghandour: Tension over Renaissance Dam is Fabricated by the Media

Sudanese Foreign Minister Ibrahim Ghandour speaks during a press conference in Khartoum on April 20, 2017 (AFP Photo/ASHRAF SHAZLY)
Sudanese Foreign Minister Ibrahim Ghandour speaks during a press conference in Khartoum on April 20, 2017 (AFP Photo/ASHRAF SHAZLY)
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Exclusive - Ghandour: Tension over Renaissance Dam is Fabricated by the Media

Sudanese Foreign Minister Ibrahim Ghandour speaks during a press conference in Khartoum on April 20, 2017 (AFP Photo/ASHRAF SHAZLY)
Sudanese Foreign Minister Ibrahim Ghandour speaks during a press conference in Khartoum on April 20, 2017 (AFP Photo/ASHRAF SHAZLY)

Sudanese Foreign Minister Ibrahim Ghandour said that recent tension over the Grand Renaissance Dam was made up by the media, stressing Khartoum’s respect for the Nile River Agreement.
 
In an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat, Ghandour said: “Our brothers in Egypt, especially those who manage the negotiations on the Renaissance Dam, know that Sudan has stressed its respect to the Nile Water Agreement.”
 
“Egyptian media is trying to point to Sudan as if it was not a party to this equation, which also includes Ethiopia and Egypt. We always reiterate that Sudan is neither an intermediary nor a biased party, but an inherent part in this trilateral equation,” he added.
 
“For us, the most important principle is to preserve our interests without compromising the interests of our fellow brothers,” the Sudanese foreign minister stressed.
 
As for the disputed Halayeb triangle, Ghandour emphasized that the area belonged to the Sudanese land, based on historic facts, but noted that this issue would not be the “cause of any fighting or rivalry that leads to schism in the relations between Sudan and Egypt.”
 
He suggested however, that the case would be resolved through direct dialogue or by resorting to the International Court of Justice.
 
“What we want is for our brothers in Egypt to agree to hold negotiations as they did with the brothers in Saudi Arabia over Tiran and Sanafir, or to resort to the International Court of Justice as they did with Israel over Taba,” he said.
 
Moving to the lifting of US economic sanctions against Sudan, Ghandour noted that following the complete lifting of sanctions in October, a new phase of dialogue started with the US over the removal of the country from the US list of states sponsors of terrorism.
 
“This began with the visit of US Deputy Secretary of State John Sullivan and a delegation in November. We have agreed to draw up a plan, and the two sides are now exchanging views,” he said.
 
In this regard, the Sudanese minister underlined the important role assumed by Saudi Arabia in the lifting of the US economic sanctions.
 
“The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, King Salman bin Abdulaziz and his Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, assumed a major role in lifting the sanctions. This is well known and highly valued by all the Sudanese people. The UAE, represented by Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed and Prince Abdullah bin Zayed - the foreign minister who was directly coordinating with me - also played an important role in this matter,” Ghandour stated, naming other contributors to this achievement, including Arab and Gulf countries represented by the Arab League, as well as Britain, Norway, the European Union and the African Union.
 
Asked about the American conditions for removing the country from the list of states sponsors of terrorism, the foreign minister said: “The United States is preoccupied with two issues in Sudan: religious freedoms and human rights, as well as the fight against terrorism in the region.”

“The United States publishes an annual report on religious freedoms and human rights, which covers all countries of the world. Some US reservations on the status of human rights and religious freedoms in Sudan were mentioned in this report.”
 
He noted that some considered the visit of an American senior delegation to Khartoum few weeks following the issuance of the report as an indication to the nature of conditions set by the US.
 
“This is not true,” Ghandour stressed, saying: “When the US Deputy Secretary of State raised the issue of religious freedom and human rights at the meeting, our response pointed to the fact that Sudan’s record of religious freedom is the best in the world, and that we are seeking, without any foreign pressure, to reform our record if there are problems. The same applies to human rights, as we are committed to the Sudanese Constitution, which clearly refers to religious freedoms and human rights and to the international and regional agreements we have signed.”
 
On whether Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir would run for a new presidential term, Ghandour said that the president has expressed more than once that he did not want to renew his tenure.
 
“But there is a very clear popular desire; there are many parties other than the National Conference calling for the re-nomination of al-Bashir, such as the Democratic Union… and the parties of the government of national unity and other popular, youth and students movements,” he said.



Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
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Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich has told Asharq Al-Awsat that the US does not plan to withdraw its forces from Syria.

The US is committed to “the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with,” he said.

Here is the full text of the interview.

Question: Mr. Goldrich, thank you so much for taking the time to sit with us today. I know you are leaving your post soon. How do you assess the accomplishments and challenges remaining?

Answer: Thank you very much for the chance to talk with you today. I've been in this position for three years, and so at the end of three years, I can see that there's a lot that we accomplished and a lot that we have left to do. But at the beginning of a time I was here, we had just completed a review of our Syria policy, and we saw that we needed to focus on reducing suffering for the people in Syria. We needed to reduce violence. We needed to hold the regime accountable for things that are done and most importantly, from the US perspective, we needed to keep ISIS from reemerging as a threat to our country and to other countries. At the same time, we also realized that there wouldn't be a solution to the crisis until there was a political process under resolution 2254, so in each of these areas, we've seen both progress and challenges, but of course, on ISIS, we have prevented the reemergence of the threat from northeast Syria, and we've helped deal with people that needed to be repatriated out of the prisons, and we dealt with displaced people in al-Hol to reduce the numbers there. We helped provide for stabilization in those parts of Syria.

Question: I want to talk a little bit about the ISIS situation now that the US troops are still there, do you envision a timeline where they will be withdrawn? Because there were some reports in the press that there is a plan from the Biden administration to withdraw.

Answer: Yeah. So right now, our focus is on the mission that we have there to keep ISIS from reemerging. So I know there have been reports, but I want to make clear that we remain committed to the role that we play in that part of Syria, to the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with, and to the need to prevent that threat from reemerging.

Question: So you can assure people who are saying that you might withdraw, that you are remaining for the time being?

Answer: Yes, and that we remain committed to this mission which needs to continue to be pursued.

Question: You also mentioned the importance of humanitarian aid. The US has been leading on this. Are you satisfied with where you are today on the humanitarian front in Syria?

Answer: We remain committed to the role that we play to provide for humanitarian assistance in Syria. Of the money that was pledged in Brussels, we pledged $593 million just this past spring, and we overall, since the beginning of the conflict, have provided $18 billion both to help the Syrians who are inside of Syria and to help the refugees who are in surrounding countries. And so we remain committed to providing that assistance, and we remain keenly aware that 90% of Syrians are living in poverty right now, and that there's been suffering there. We're doing everything we can to reduce the suffering, but I think where we would really like to be is where there's a larger solution to the whole crisis, so Syrian people someday will be able to provide again for themselves and not need this assistance.

Question: And that's a perfect key to my next question. Solution in Syria. you are aware that the countries in the region are opening up to Assad again, and you also have the EU signaling overture to the Syrian regime and Assad. How do you deal with that?

Answer: For the United States, our policy continues to be that we will not normalize with the regime in Syria until there's been authentic and enduring progress on the goals of resolution 2254, until the human rights of the Syrian people are respected and until they have the civil and human rights that they deserve. We know other countries have engaged with the regime. When those engagements happen, we don't support them, but we remind the countries that are engaged that they should be using their engagements to push forward on the shared international goals under 2254, and that whatever it is that they're doing should be for the sake of improving the situation of the Syrian people.

Question: Let's say that all of the countries decided to talk to Assad, aren’t you worried that the US will be alienated in the process?

Answer: The US will remain true to our own principles and our own policies and our own laws, and the path for the regime in Syria to change its relationship with us is very clear, if they change the behaviors that led to the laws that we have and to the policies that we have, if those behaviors change and the circumstances inside of Syria change, then it's possible to have a different kind of relationship, but that's where it has to start.

Question: My last question to you before you leave, if you have to pick one thing that you need to do in Syria today, what is it that you would like to see happening today?

Answer: So there are a number of things, I think that will always be left and that there are things that we will try to do, to try to make them happen. We want to hold people accountable in Syria for things that have happened. So even today, we observed something called the International Day for victims of enforced disappearances, there are people that are missing, and we're trying to draw attention to the need to account for the missing people. So our step today was to sanction a number of officials who were responsible for enforced disappearances, but we also created something called the independent institution for missing persons, and that helps the families, in the non-political way, get information on what's happened. So I'd like to see some peace for the families of the missing people. I'd like to see the beginning of a political process, there hasn't been a meeting of the constitutional committee in two years, and I think that's because the regime has not been cooperating in political process steps. So we need to change that situation. And I would, of course, like it's important to see the continuation of the things that we were talking about, so keeping ISIS from reemerging and maintaining assistance as necessary in the humanitarian sphere. So all these things, some of them are ongoing, and some of them remain to be achieved. But the Syrian people deserve all aspects of our policy to be fulfilled and for them to be able to return to a normal life.