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Steve Bannon: Turkey is more Dangerous than Iran

File photo of Steve Bannon. Carlo Allegri / Reuters
File photo of Steve Bannon. Carlo Allegri / Reuters
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Steve Bannon: Turkey is more Dangerous than Iran

File photo of Steve Bannon. Carlo Allegri / Reuters
File photo of Steve Bannon. Carlo Allegri / Reuters

He is the scariest name in the US politics (and overseas) these days...

New political candidates are lining up, trying to land a photo op with him, if not a full endorsement.

Incumbents - on the other hand - are trying not to irritate the man, who has declared WAR on many of them except for Senator Ted Cruz and on the Republican National Committee.

His long title - The Executive Chairman of Breitbart and former Chief Strategist of the Trump Administration - says it all. While other people who were fired from the Trump administration have vanished, Steve Bannon, has a platform! He went directly from his office at the White House, to what he likes to call: "The Breitbart Home". By now - he enjoys both worlds: The "Outsider" with the knowledge (and some contacts) of an "insider".

There are people who hate him or fear him, or follow him blindly.

Nobody is indifferent to THE X FACTOR in US politics today.

Bannon, whom I’ve met a couple of days ago, is charming. He and I have tons of mutual friends: Politicians, big donors, Hollywood figures. Couple of my close friends are famously perceived by him as big enemies! And no, Steve Bannon does not believe in the option of not confusing ideological disputes with personal ones.

But we will get to names later...

He tells us in the exclusive interview that his chief mission is to contest any Republican incumbent, with his hand-picked new candidates, and to shake the establishment as well as its leaders (He is mentioning Mitch McConnell, Majority Leader of the Senate). He continues: "This is like the French Revolution".

And that brings us to another advantage he has: Bannon is smart, quick and educated. When he argues passionately, he is inserting names of books, must read articles (written by both right and leftwing writers), historical events. His knowledge is part of his power!! And I suspect that some people find it hard to rise to the occasion and argue back.They feel, somehow, unequipped to match him.

So here is what Bannon is thinking about the topics which matter;

"THE PAINFUL TRUTH ABOUT N. KOREA"

Bannon shocked many, when he said to a reporter that - despite his then boss, Trump's threats - there is not really a military option about North Korea, without killing, "ten million people in Seoul in the first 30 minutes of any US military attack …"

Many believe that, that was the last straw, which caused him to be ousted from the White House.

Bannon doubles down on his infamous remark by now.

I ask if he stands by, "They got us...?"

He says shortly: "No military solution” for the North Korean crisis.

But he is aiming towards, at least two "more dangerous situations, people should pay attention to..."

"MOST DANGEROUS – TURKEY"

"Turkey is the biggest danger for us (US)!" He tells us with conviction. "No, not even close to (its neighbor) Iran..." He waves his hand in total rejection.

"No! We don't read well what is going on in Turkey right now, under (President Recep Tayyip) Erdogan!! This is an issue I am going to pursue hard."

"THE MUST ISOLATION OF QATAR"

Bannon simply loves to declare a new war. In fact - when he was fired from the White House, it took, a senior editor of Breitbart, seconds to tweet #WAR.

His next global war - he shares with a smile - is against Qatar.

"I credit Donald Trump on the measures taken against Qatar by the UAE, Bahrain, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The boycott happened shortly after the (Trump) visit to Saudi Arabia, just like that..."

According to Bannon, Trump said that he backed Saudi Arabia’s stance even if he recently said he wanted to mediate this dispute.

Bannon added: “Qatar is as dangerous as North Korea! People should pay attention to this important situation." He was referring to accusations against Qatar of backing extremist and terrorist groups.

"MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT CHINA"

We are mentioning Trump's upcoming trip to five countries in Asia. China is the first stop.

While Trump says, he has established friendship and mutual understanding with the Chinese leader, Bannon is doubting it!

"Re China: We don't just make a small mistake... It is a big strategic mistake... If you listen to President Xi's (recent) speech, it was not about how China is going to be superpower with the US. No! It was about They, are going to have a hegemony.

This mistake had started with the Bush and Clinton administrations. They thought that if we let China into the World Trade Organization, and treat them favorably, they would become a liberal democracy as they get bigger...Well, the Chinese have already run the tables on us.”

"AMERICA FIRST VS GLOBALISM"

Trump put a budget of 30 billion dollars to update the readiness of the US military. “It was a law, because of the wars we have been fighting for 17 years.”

“This is like the entire defense budget of Germany... Europe does not make any attempt to defend itself. They are protected by the USA,” Bannon said. “The US is committed to protecting Gulf states and the same applies to Japan and South Korea.”

“I don’t suggest it, but we have become ‘Isolationists.’ It is not that we are going to walk away from the world... No! But - we are going to start acting like adults.”

"MY ROLE IN BREXIT"

British politician Nigel Farage has been a friend, says Bannon. “I was proud, that the morning after we won, Nigel announced: "If it had not been for Breitbart London, there would have not been Brexit..."

I tell Steve, that I know Nigel, and recall, how he was having coffee with me, early in the morning, in Washington DC, plotting how to see Trump.

But first - he would, "Stop to see Steve and we will see..."

That meant, that the way to President Trump was with one stop at Bannon...

Steve is smiling, not disputing it.

In fact he was playing a bridge between two surprising victories on both sides of the Atlantic.

Back to internal topics: One of them is of course the mid-term elections (2018) where the Republican establishment will try to maintain their majority in both houses, which will affect Trump's ability to govern, and his next elections on 2020.

Bannon is enjoying the glory of, "Winning Alabama Over!"

His candidate Judge Moore, who is considered by some Republicans, as super-extreme won big time in that state! Trump and VP Mike Pence had campaigned in person for his rival.
Bannon explains: Naturally - after such a victory, more and more candidates want his "Magic Touch.”

"The blessing of a King Maker"? I ask. We laugh.

I then mention my recent conversation with billionaire Mark Cuban. The one-time friend of Trump, has become his big enemy! In fact - he was sitting in the front row, during the first Presidential debate, as a guest of Hillary Clinton.

Like Trump, he is a reality show star ("Shark Tank") and therefore - a household name. They are both wealthy. And yes, Cuban told both Bannon that he is thinking about running, since he is "that concerned" about the Trump Presidency.

Here Bannon surprises me, when he adds: "Yes, he has been asking for my advice... He has been talking with me about running... I guess, he wants me to run his campaign."

Bannon says, casually that he would not run a campaign against Trump.

Yet it is clear, how much he is enjoying being "In demand" only few weeks after he was fired by White House Chief of Staff John Kelly.

I was at the West Wing, for meetings, on the "Monday after Cannon was fired". Some senior advisers and I stared at the Eclipse through these fun glasses. But the conversation was about Bannon. Some seemed so relieved. Others were wondering: "Who is next? "

Bannon repeats his claim that he had planned to leave anyway: "It was a year after I took over the Trump Campaign. I had planned to give it a year. "

However - his emotions about the people he calls "Globalists" are strong! Among them: Jared Kushner, Gary Cohn and mainly - NSA H.R. McMaster.

"MCMASTER IS MY ENEMY!"

"I know, he is your friend. No, no way to repair any relations...There will never be relationship… and we will win."

McMaster had removed Bannon from the National Security Council, after Mike Flynn was fired by Trump. He then - fired some of Bannon's allies, who had reportedly continued to report to Bannon.
So, ideology aside: it has become very personal.

"24/7 SECURITY"

Bannon is surrounded with security people at all time. We were all staying at a secure floor in the hotel. Even then, there were security people outside his suite as well.

His extreme visions as well as his growing power, are reasons for concern for some.

I ask him if he is scared.

He says: "Even if someone kills me, this revolution has already started...Nobody can kill it... Others will carry on..."

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Bin Habrish to Asharq Al-Awsat: Hadhramaut on Threshold of New Era

Sheikh Amr bin Habrish, First Deputy Governor of Hadhramaut (Asharq Al-Awsat)
Sheikh Amr bin Habrish, First Deputy Governor of Hadhramaut (Asharq Al-Awsat)
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Bin Habrish to Asharq Al-Awsat: Hadhramaut on Threshold of New Era

Sheikh Amr bin Habrish, First Deputy Governor of Hadhramaut (Asharq Al-Awsat)
Sheikh Amr bin Habrish, First Deputy Governor of Hadhramaut (Asharq Al-Awsat)

After nearly 500 days spent in the mountains and highlands, Sheikh Amr bin Habrish, First Deputy Governor of Hadhramaut and commander of the Hadhramaut Protection Forces, has returned to the provincial capital, Mukalla, declaring what he described as the beginning of a “new phase” that will shape a different future for Yemen’s largest eastern governorate.

In an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat from his residence overlooking the Arabian Sea, Bin Habrish said Hadhramaut is currently experiencing “a state of stability and reassurance,” which he attributed to the steadfastness of its people and to Saudi support and intervention that came “at the right time.”

He said the current ambition is to build a state based on institutions under which all citizens are united, while preserving Hadhramaut’s distinct character. Bin Habrish also affirmed his commitment to integrating the Hadhramaut Protection Forces into “fair” state institutions.

Addressing security concerns, he described terrorism as “manufactured” and said it has no social base in Hadhramaut. He accused external powers and local actors of exploiting it for their own agendas, while stressing readiness to confront terrorism in all its forms.

Bin Habrish offered his account of the recent handover of military camps led by the Nation’s Shield Forces, saying the achievements were made possible by the resistance of Hadhramaut’s people on their own land, and by Saudi support and what he called the Kingdom’s “honest and decisive” stance at a critical moment.

He said this outcome would not have been possible without the “genuine bond” between Hadhramaut’s society and Saudi Arabia, adding that this relationship has helped restore security and stability to Mukalla after what he described as unnecessary turmoil.

“We were not satisfied with the arrival of forces and the internal conflict and fighting that followed,” he said, adding that some parties felt emboldened and left no room for dialogue.

He accused the Southern Transitional Council of deploying its forces and “fully occupying the governorate,” stressing that Hadhramaut belongs to its people and that any mistake should have been addressed locally, not imposed by force. “We were compelled to resist,” he said, citing home raids and pursuits as “wrong and unjustified.”

Open Channels with Saudi Arabia

Bin Habrish credited Saudi Arabia’s leadership — King Salman bin Abdulaziz, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Defense Minister Prince Khalid bin Salman, along with the Special Committee and the Joint Forces Command — for Hadhramaut’s current stability.

He said coordination with the Kingdom takes place “at the highest levels,” with open channels and no barriers, praising Saudi intentions and expressing deep appreciation for its support.

A New Era

Bin Habrish said Hadhramaut is entering a new era rooted in its traditions of peace, wisdom, and culture. He reiterated calls for self-rule based on historical grounds, describing it as the minimum requirement for enabling Hadhramaut to build its institutions and deliver services.

He urged unity, mutual compromise, and prioritizing the governorate’s interests, saying: “We forgive and open a new page. We are not seeking revenge. What matters is that Hadhramaut remains at the center of decision-making. Without it, there can be no development.”

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President of Madagascar to Asharq Al-Awsat: Three-Pillar Economic Plan to Revive the Country

President of Madagascar Michael Randrianirina (Presidency)
President of Madagascar Michael Randrianirina (Presidency)
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President of Madagascar to Asharq Al-Awsat: Three-Pillar Economic Plan to Revive the Country

President of Madagascar Michael Randrianirina (Presidency)
President of Madagascar Michael Randrianirina (Presidency)

President of Madagascar Michael Randrianirina said his country views Saudi Arabia as its “main partner” in the phase of “refoundation” and in building a new development model, revealing to Asharq Al-Awsat a three-pillar economic plan aimed at restoring political and institutional stability, activating structural sectors, and improving the business environment to attract investment, with a focus on cooperation in mining and natural resources, including rare minerals.

In his first interview with an Arab newspaper since assuming office in October, Randrianirina said in remarks delivered via Zoom from his presidential office that Madagascar “possesses real potential in energy, agriculture, mining, tourism, and human capital,” stressing that driving national revival requires consolidating institutional stability and building balanced partnerships with countries such as Saudi Arabia in order to translate potential into tangible outcomes for citizens and youth.

Three-Pillar Economic Plan

The president explained that his plan is based on three main pillars. The first focuses on restoring political and institutional stability through a clear transitional roadmap, the establishment of an executive body to manage and review projects, and the formation of a supporting committee to ensure an orderly and transparent transition.

The second pillar centers on investment in structural sectors, including energy, ports, digital transformation, health, and mining, in partnership with Saudi Arabia and other partners, with the aim of removing the main obstacles to economic revival.

The third pillar, he said, targets creating an attractive environment for investors by improving the business climate, strengthening public-private partnerships, activating special economic zones, and leveraging regional frameworks such as the African Continental Free Trade Area (AfCFTA) and the Southern African Development Community (SADC) to open broader African markets through Madagascar.

Strategic Partnership and “Investment-Ready” Projects

On plans to enhance economic, investment, and trade cooperation between Saudi Arabia and Madagascar, Randrianirina said his objective is to build a long-term strategic partnership within a clear institutional framework and through flagship projects with tangible impact for both countries.

He proposed the creation of a joint Madagascar–Saudi investment body, to be known as “OIMS,” to coordinate and finance projects in energy, ports, health, digital governance, mining, agriculture, and tourism. He noted that Madagascar is simultaneously preparing a package of investment-ready projects aligned with Saudi Vision 2030 and Africa’s regional integration, in order to provide organized and secure opportunities for Saudi capital and expertise.

Saudi Arabia as the “Main Partner”

Randrianirina emphasized that Madagascar considers Saudi Arabia a key partner in priority sectors. In energy and refining, he said the country plans to establish a national oil refinery, supply fuel directly from the Kingdom, and jointly develop heavy oil resources in western Madagascar.

In ports and logistics, he pointed to efforts to modernize and expand the ports of Toliara and Mahajanga to position Madagascar as a logistics and energy hub in the Indian Ocean.

Regarding digital transformation and secure governance, he said Madagascar aims to launch a secure national digital platform for public administration and security, drawing on Saudi experience.

He also highlighted mining and natural resources, including rare minerals, as a cornerstone of cooperation, with the goal of improving valuation and ensuring traceability of Malagasy gold and other mineral resources in a transparent and mutually beneficial manner. He further expressed interest in the health sector, proposing the establishment of a royal health complex in Antananarivo, followed by a gradual expansion of similar facilities in other regions.

Planned Visit to Riyadh

The President said Madagascar is working with Saudi authorities to arrange an official visit in the near future, with the date to be determined in coordination with the Kingdom.

He described the visit as an important opportunity to meet and engage with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, noting that Vision 2030 has brought about a qualitative transformation in the Kingdom’s image and economic trajectory. He said Saudi Arabia has strengthened its role as a major player in economic modernization, energy diversification, digital transformation, and global investment, while maintaining its central role in the Arab and Islamic worlds.

He added that the reforms and major projects achieved under the vision are a source of inspiration for Madagascar’s refoundation efforts, expressing a desire to benefit from the Saudi experience in areas including energy, infrastructure, digital transformation, health, and natural resource development.

The president said he hopes the visit will include meetings with the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Salman bin Abdulaziz and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, as well as sectoral meetings covering energy, ports, digital transformation, health, mining, defense and security, trade, culture, and sports, alongside discussions on establishing the joint investment body.

Historical Links with the Arab World

Randrianirina noted that Madagascar had historical links with the Arab world prior to the arrival of Western powers, explaining that Arab sailors, traders, and scholars reached its coasts and left their mark on certain languages, place names, and customs.

Three Major Challenges

The president acknowledged three main challenges facing his country: poverty and food insecurity, lack of infrastructure, and weak institutions. He said a large segment of the population still lives in poverty and that food security is not guaranteed in several regions, stressing that addressing these challenges requires investment in agriculture and rural infrastructure and the search for partners to support sustainable value chains that improve farmers’ incomes.

On infrastructure, he said the capacity of the energy and port sectors remains insufficient, hindering growth and trade, noting that upcoming discussions with Saudi Arabia focus on projects such as the refinery, heavy oil development, the ports of Toliara and Mahajanga, and digital infrastructure. He added that repeated crises have weakened institutions, and that his government is working to strengthen the rule of law, anti-corruption mechanisms, and public investment governance through independent oversight and transparent reporting to restore trust.

Combating Corruption

The President said financial corruption is a serious problem in Madagascar as it undermines public trust and diverts resources away from development. He explained that the anti-corruption strategy is based on three levels: establishing an executive body with clear procedures, independent audits, and periodic reporting; using digitalization to improve traceability and reduce misuse; and strengthening anti-corruption bodies while supporting judicial independence.

When asked about allegations of financial corruption linked to the previous leadership, he said his focus is on institutions rather than personal accusations, stressing that addressing any allegations falls under the jurisdiction of the competent judicial and oversight bodies, which must be protected from political interference and allowed to operate in accordance with the law and due process.

Duty to the Country and Its Youth

The president concluded by saying that he assumed office out of a sense of duty toward the country and its youth, noting that young people represent a significant demographic weight in Madagascar and are demanding change, dignity, and a better future through jobs, education, stability, and opportunities within their own country.

 

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Microsoft President: Saudi Arabia is Moving from Exporting Oil to Exporting Artificial Intelligence

Naim Yazbeck, President of Microsoft for the Middle East and Africa (Microsoft) 
Naim Yazbeck, President of Microsoft for the Middle East and Africa (Microsoft) 
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Microsoft President: Saudi Arabia is Moving from Exporting Oil to Exporting Artificial Intelligence

Naim Yazbeck, President of Microsoft for the Middle East and Africa (Microsoft) 
Naim Yazbeck, President of Microsoft for the Middle East and Africa (Microsoft) 

As Saudi Arabia accelerates its national transformation under Vision 2030, the region’s technology landscape is undergoing a decisive shift. For the first time, “the region is not merely participating in a global transformation, it is clearly leading it,” said Naim Yazbeck, President of Microsoft for the Middle East and Africa, in an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat.

Yazbeck argued that Saudi Arabia now stands at the forefront of what he called “a historic turning point not seen in the past century,” defined by sovereign cloud infrastructure, artificial intelligence, and national innovation capabilities.

He noted that Saudi Arabia’s rapid progress is driven by clear political will, explaining that the state is not simply modernizing infrastructure, but views AI as a strategic pillar comparable to the historical role of oil. While oil underpinned the economy for decades, AI has emerged as the new resource on which the Kingdom is staking its economic future.

According to Yazbeck, the recent visit of Crown Prince and Prime Minister Mohammed bin Salman to the United States underscored this shift, with AI and advanced technologies taking center stage in discussions, reflecting Saudi Arabia’s intent to build a globally influential knowledge economy.

This direction marks the start of a new phase in which the Kingdom is no longer a consumer of imported AI technologies but a developer of local capabilities and a producer of exportable knowledge, strengthening technological sovereignty and laying the foundation for an innovation-driven economy.

A Distinctive Tech Market

Yazbeck stressed that the regional landscape, especially in Saudi Arabia, is witnessing an unprecedented shift. Gulf countries are not only deploying AI but also developing and exporting it. The Kingdom is building advanced infrastructure capable of running large-scale models and providing massive computing power, positioning it for the first time as a participant in global innovation rather than a mere technology importer.

He pointed to a common sentiment he encountered in recent meetings across Riyadh’s ministries, regulatory bodies, national institutions, and global companies: “Everyone wants to be ahead of AI, not behind it.” Ambition has translated into action through revised budgets, higher targets, and faster project timelines.

He added that Saudi institutions now demand the highest standards of data sovereignty, especially in sensitive financial, health, and education sectors. The regulatory environment is evolving rapidly; Saudi Arabia has modernized its cybersecurity, data governance, cloud, and AI frameworks faster than many countries worldwide, turning regulatory agility into a competitive asset.

Yazbeck emphasized that success is not measured by the number of AI projects but by their alignment with national priorities, productivity, healthcare, education, and cybersecurity, rather than superficial, publicity-driven initiatives.

The ‘Return on Investment’ Equation

According to the Microsoft official, building an AI-driven economy requires more than advanced data centers. It begins with long-term planning for energy production and the expansion of connectivity networks. He further said that running large models demands enormous electrical capacity and long-term stability, which the Kingdom is addressing through strategic investments in renewable energy and telecommunications.

Yazbeck said return on investment is a central question. Nationally, ROI is measured through economic growth, job creation, higher productivity, enhanced innovation, and stronger global standing. At the institutional level, tangible results are already emerging: with tools such as Copilot, employees are working faster and with higher quality, shedding routine tasks and redirecting time toward innovation. The next phase, he added, will unlock new business models, improved customer experiences, streamlined operations, and higher efficiency across sectors.

Sovereignty and Security

Digital sovereignty is now indispensable, Yazbeck said. Saudi Arabia requires cloud providers to meet the highest accreditation standards to host sensitive national systems, which are criteria Microsoft is working to fulfill ahead of launch. Once the new cloud regions in Dammam go live, they will become part of the Kingdom’s sovereign infrastructure, requiring maximum protection.

Microsoft invests billions annually in cybersecurity and has repelled unprecedented cyberattacks, an indicator of the threats national infrastructure faces. The company offers a suite of sovereign cloud solutions, data-classification tools, and hybrid options that allow flexible operation and expansion. Yazbeck noted that sovereignty is not a single concept but a spectrum that includes data protection, regulatory control, and local hosting all play critical roles.

Data: The Next Source of Advantage

Yazbeck identified data as the decisive factor in AI success. He warned that any model built on unclean data becomes a source of hallucinations. Thus, national strategy begins with assessing the readiness of Saudi Arabia’s data landscape.

He revealed that the Kingdom, working with SDAIA, the Ministry of Communications, and national companies, is constructing a vast, high-quality data ecosystem, laying the groundwork for competitive Arabic language models.

He also called for a robust framework for responsible AI, saying that speed alone is not enough. He stressed that safe and trustworthy use must be built from the start, noting that Microsoft is collaborating with national bodies to craft policies that prevent misuse, protect data, and ensure fairness and transparency.

Skills: A National Advantage

Human capability is the true engine of national power; Yazbeck underlined, pointing that infrastructure means little without talent to run and advance it. He stated that Saudi youth represent the Kingdom’s greatest competitive advantage.

Microsoft has trained more than one million Saudis over the past two years through programs with SDAIA, the Ministry of Communications, the Ministry of Education, and the MISK Foundation. Its joint AI Academy has graduated thousands of students from over 40 universities, and it has launched broad programs to train teachers on AI tools in education.