‘Caracalla Dance Theater was Born out of Struggle,’ Ivan Caracalla Tells Asharq Al-Awsat

Photo: Abdullah al-Falih
Photo: Abdullah al-Falih
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‘Caracalla Dance Theater was Born out of Struggle,’ Ivan Caracalla Tells Asharq Al-Awsat

Photo: Abdullah al-Falih
Photo: Abdullah al-Falih

Ten thousand shows throughout 54 years, and each year has a special story of pain and joy. From a motionless world to a space of creativity, freedom, and challenge of traditions, a beautiful melody originated from the Baalbeck valley.

Caracalla Dance Theater is as many believe a ‘Brand’ that was born out of struggles, from under the rubble and death of a civil war that hit Lebanon in 1975, and almost killed the seven-year-old dream of Abdel-Halim Caracalla who was used to deal with hardships and strict traditions.

Year after year, the grumpy face disappeared, and the group Caracalla has been representing the Arab world in international events since the 1980s. With patience, hope, and support, the group marked its unique position in the world of stardom.

This is how the interview with Ivan Caracalla, the group’s director, went from the beginning. “The 1975 war and what came after it was a true turning point with many benefits for the group, which almost ended when its members were targeted in a shooting incident. But the savior was Abdel-Halim Caracalla’s belief in his project, which faced many challenges since its debut.”

Saudi theater

About Caracalla Dance Theater’s agreement with the Theater and Performing Arts Commission, Ivan explained that “it’s a long-term artistic project based on the Saudi traditions, heritage, and culture. It has different directions including the connection between folklore and theater, and academies’ establishment.”

“Within five years, there will be a Saudi dance group that performs musical plays and makes its own theatrical works,” he said in response to a question.

When asked about transforming the poetry collections of Saudi poets into plays, he said: “It is a possibility. It is a plan that should be discussed and set in collaboration with the culture ministry which plays a key role and has major goals. But working with old stories ensure a freer imagination without affecting the content.”

Future plan

About the future plans, Ivan Caracalla revealed that they are reviewing and preparing some stories including “The Queen of Sheba”. We are also preparing to take part in a cultural festival in China in a play titled ‘On The Silk Road’.” Do you see the group partaking in an open show that hosts thousands of spectators? “It’s a beautiful idea. Actually, we were asked to perform a free, outdoor show in China for the audience,” he replied.

The funding problematic

“We are facing a serious funding problem especially in Lebanon because the country is suffering.” Those are the words that Ivan used to speak about the lack of resources and challenges the group is facing. He also highlighted the moral support they found in many Arab and western capitals, without giving any details about the group’s needs for survival. |The group has over 60 members who live in Lebanon, and Caracalla is responsible for their private and professional lives. We also have the finances of our private theater. Here, I must stop and thank the Saudi culture ministry which has embraced the Caracalla Theater and set future plans with it,” he said.

Jamil and Bouthayna

Why this play? “The Royal Commission for AlUla requested a work inspired by the city that could be performed on the Maraya Theater. The best and most suitable choice was the story of Jamil and Bouthayna and their pure love to remind the younger generations of this couple, whose story was born in Wadi al-Qura, and became a part of the Saudi and Arabic culture and heritage,” he explained.

“It was a huge challenge, in fact, as it is a story that people knew and told for thousands of years. The theater should be like a history book, it should not forge history, but rather use it to build the play. The biggest inspiration in this story was the poetry of Jamil,” he continued. “The research about that era and the outfits worn during it were few, but the poetry of Jamil was a starting point that gave us more information about the region, Bouthayna, the heritage, and community at the time,” he noted.

Jamil and the world

About its shows around the world, Ivan said “Jamil and Bouthayna” will be performed in European capitals, a work that requires collaboration with culture ministries and theaters there, noting that theater is a cultural destination, and not only a place for dancing and entertainment. “All the dancers in our group are professionals and our training never stops.”

Variety of rhythms

Not all the rhythms in Jamil and Bouthayna were from the Arabian Peninsula, the director noted. “We used some local music and rhythms and incorporated them in the distribution, which combines western and eastern music. Caracalla’s favorite hobby is blending the east and the west,” he said. “The theater was built with western techniques and eastern decors. The ‘Jamil and Bouthayna’ play aims at boasting the Arabic traditions and manners, and highlighting this legacy in its human and social aspects.”

The dream

When Ivan talked about the dream, he stopped for few seconds and took a deep breath, then said: “It is a tough question. My dream is the continuity of Caracalla even after my death, seeing it become a cultural model in the Arabic region whether our family survived or not.”



Billy Idol on His First Album in over a Decade, the Rock Hall and More

Billy Idol performs during the Vive Latino music festival in Mexico City, Saturday, March 16, 2024. (AP)
Billy Idol performs during the Vive Latino music festival in Mexico City, Saturday, March 16, 2024. (AP)
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Billy Idol on His First Album in over a Decade, the Rock Hall and More

Billy Idol performs during the Vive Latino music festival in Mexico City, Saturday, March 16, 2024. (AP)
Billy Idol performs during the Vive Latino music festival in Mexico City, Saturday, March 16, 2024. (AP)

When Billy Idol first entered American consciousness in the early '80s, leather-clad and bleached hair in tow, he not only brought a punk rock sound to the mainstream. The Englishman brought a new attitude, a new, rebellious way of being.

In the time since, songs like “White Wedding,” “Rebel Yell” and “Eyes Without a Face” have become instant classics — for those who've worn a spiky jacket and those who've only imagined what it might be like.

Now, over four decades later, he's got the wisdom to reflect. It's led to a new documentary about his life, “Billy Idol Should Be Dead,” which will premiere at the Tribeca Film Festival — and a new album, the polished punk-pop of “Dream Into It.”

“It was a gradual process, really,” he said of the 11-year span between albums. “It wasn’t so much that we didn’t want to make an album, it was more like we were building up to doing this.”

Idol discussed with The Associated Press this week his new album and forthcoming documentary, his past struggles with addiction, his first-ever Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nomination and more.

Remarks have been edited for clarity and brevity.

AP: You've described “Dream Into It” as autobiographical. I thought your last album, 2014's “Kings & Queens of the Underground,” pulled from your life as well.

IDOL: Being this age, in particular, 69, when you look back, you can really see your whole life, how it plays out. And maybe it’s also having grandchildren. My children are having children.

You sort of reach this vantage point where you can really look back and see all the sort of different eras of my life. And you can sing about it. And I think I didn’t go deep enough with the songs I did on “Kings and Queens.” I thought lyrically I could go deeper. That’s one of those regrets I had about the last album. So I really went for it, and I went for more imagery, (on ‘Dream Into It,’ in the) way of talking about my life. I’m not spelling it out exactly.

AP: There are a lot of rock ‘n’ roll women on the album. Joan Jett, Avril Lavigne and The Kills' Alison Mosshart are all featured.

IDOL: (Mosshart's) voice is just incredible. And of course, Joan Jett, I’ve known since 1978 after a Germs/Dead Kennedys concert. We hung out in Los Angeles. I was on a Generation X promotion tour for the first album. And then Avril, I mean, I’ve just been watching her career forever and she’s fantastic. So, it was just great.

AP: The documentary has an evocative title, “Billy Idol Should Be Dead.” It sounds like it may dive into your past struggles with addiction.

IDOL: There was a point in my life when I was living like every day, like, “Live every day as if it’s your last.” One day, you’re going to be right.

In the '70s, in England, you know, young people, we had this feeling that we were being completely ignored. You were even being told that you had no future. And so, we just didn’t think beyond the day-to-day existence. It was probably only when I really started having children and stuff like that, I really starting to realize I (should) try start to give up drugs and things.

I’ve always flirted with death, in a way. Even riding motorcycles, you’re staring at the concrete. It’s right there, you can come off that thing and get horribly messed up. And I’ve done it. It’s horrible. You find out how human you are, how vulnerable. There’s lots of things about my life that, yeah, I did kind of call death at times. Not really mean to, but you just were living like that.

Imagine if it was today. If I was doing what I was back then today, I would be dead because I would have run into fentanyl.

AP: You're nominated for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame for the first time. Do you think your younger punk rock self would be excited?

IDOL: I do sort of think about Bo Diddley and Chuck Berry and Little Richard. “And what? Are you going to be in something with those guys?” You know, Buddy Holly. These are some of the seminal people who turned on the people that turned me on, you know? Somewhere down the road, it led to punk rock.

Also, my motorcycle has been in the Rock & Roll of Fame for like five years. So I might as well be in it, too.