Salva Kiir to Asharq Al-Awsat: Juba Agreement Did Not Fail, But It Lacks Funding

South Sudan President Salva Kiir Mayardit. (Asharq Al-Awsat)
South Sudan President Salva Kiir Mayardit. (Asharq Al-Awsat)
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Salva Kiir to Asharq Al-Awsat: Juba Agreement Did Not Fail, But It Lacks Funding

South Sudan President Salva Kiir Mayardit. (Asharq Al-Awsat)
South Sudan President Salva Kiir Mayardit. (Asharq Al-Awsat)

The Juba Agreement for Peace in Sudan, also known as the Juba Agreement, has succeeded in stopping the war, stressed South Sudan President Salva Kiir Mayardit in a phone interview with Asharq Al-Awsat. He added that the peace treaty had achieved its goals.

“We completely disagree with those who believe the Juba Agreement did not achieve its objectives. The purpose of signing peace agreements is to stop the war, address the causes of conflict, and work on re-development,” said Kiir.

After congratulating the Sudanese people on the second anniversary of the signing of the Juba Agreement, Kiir defended the deal’s success and urged the parties who did not sign the deal, including the Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA-North) and the Sudan Liberation Movement, to join it.

“Allow me to seize the opportunity of this interview with Asharq Al-Awsat to invite the parties that did not sign the agreement, including the movements led by Abdelaziz Adam Al-Hilu and Abdul Wahid al-Nur, to negotiate with the Sudanese transitional government until the peace file is completed and they join the treaty,” said Kiir.

Although he asserted that the war has stopped since the signing of the Juba Agreement with the transitional government, he noted that the deal still faces funding challenges.

“I can tell you that the peace agreement faces a single challenge represented in the absence of sufficient funding to implement some of its articles, especially the security arrangements in Darfur and the two areas (Nuba Mountains and the Blue Nile),” remarked the president.

“Therefore, we call on the international and regional community to support Sudan so that it can implement the peace agreement and achieve development that will help in the return of the displaced and refugees,” he added.

“What concerns us now is to continue implementing the peace agreement because its implementation will contribute to enhancing social, political, and economic security,” explained Kiir.

The South Sudan leader revealed that his country was serious about including parties that did not sign the Juba Agreement.

“The agreement has achieved an essential thing for our country, which is to stop the war and internal fighting among the people, despite the presence of some groups which did not sign this pact.”

“We are working seriously to include those groups in peace efforts through negotiations held in Rome,” stressed Kiir.

“A broad-based government of all factions and different political forces at all levels was formed to implement this agreement,” added Kiir, recalling that South Sudan has proceeded to unify forces under a joint military doctrine.

“We will work to collect weapons from the hands of citizens to avoid clan fighting,” he further clarified.

Kiir, who signed an extension for South Sudan’s transition period, said the extension would allow for the unification of the armed forces, the drafting of a new constitution, and time to prepare for elections to avoid a return to war.

“The transitional period was extended to create the appropriate climate for holding elections,” he told Asharq Al-Awsat.

“The government will provide the appropriate conditions for holding the elections by amending the necessary laws,” he said, listing the Political Parties Law and the Elections Law as examples of regulations needing revision.

Moreover, he revealed that authorities in South Sudan would hold a population census in preparation for elections after the transitional period.

“We will conduct a comprehensive population census in the country and use the data to determine the geographical constituencies and electoral districts, as well as return the displaced and refugees to their areas of origin voluntarily to ensure their participation in elections.”

On another note, Kiir praised the development of South Sudan’s relations with Saudi Arabia.

He described the development of ties as a strategy that is “heading towards broader horizons for cooperation in various fields.”

Kiir also cited the signing of the cooperation protocol between Riyadh and Juba, which took place in Riyadh at the beginning of 2022. The protocol covers various fields, such as investment, education, health, diplomatic relations, and coordination and consultation on issues of common interest in international forums.

“Relations between Saudi Arabia and South Sudan are in continuous development,” Kiir said.

Welcoming the visit of Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan to Juba, he stressed that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and South Sudan share many areas that allow cooperation.

The president noted that his country has promising investment opportunities, especially in the oil, gas, mining, agriculture, tourism, and other sectors and it was looking forward to benefiting from the Kingdom’s experience.

“In the oil and gas field, Saudi companies have a great experience that we desperately need,” Kiir remarked.

“Through Asharq al-Awsat, I would like to invite Saudi investors to visit South Sudan to learn about the opportunities found in various fields,” he added.

When asked about cooperation plans between the Kingdom and South Sudan, he explained that efforts are being exerted to realize collaboration projects.

“After signing the cooperation protocol between the two countries, we are now striving to realize projects on the ground, and some important matters will be discussed during the upcoming visit of Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan to South Sudan.”

Kiir revealed that after Prince Faisal’s visit, officials from both countries will hold follow-up meetings to address what has been agreed upon.

“Cooperation between Juba and Riyadh will benefit the countries around us as well,” he stated.

Kiir’s interview with Asharq Al-Awsat is his first with an Arab newspaper since he took over the leadership of South Sudan and as the first head of state following the referendum that took place on July 9, 2011, which resulted in the independence of South Sudan from the Republic of Sudan.



Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
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Goldrich to Asharq Al-Awsat: No US Withdrawal from Syria

US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat
US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich during the interview with Asharq Al-Awsat

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Ethan Goldrich has told Asharq Al-Awsat that the US does not plan to withdraw its forces from Syria.

The US is committed to “the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with,” he said.

Here is the full text of the interview.

Question: Mr. Goldrich, thank you so much for taking the time to sit with us today. I know you are leaving your post soon. How do you assess the accomplishments and challenges remaining?

Answer: Thank you very much for the chance to talk with you today. I've been in this position for three years, and so at the end of three years, I can see that there's a lot that we accomplished and a lot that we have left to do. But at the beginning of a time I was here, we had just completed a review of our Syria policy, and we saw that we needed to focus on reducing suffering for the people in Syria. We needed to reduce violence. We needed to hold the regime accountable for things that are done and most importantly, from the US perspective, we needed to keep ISIS from reemerging as a threat to our country and to other countries. At the same time, we also realized that there wouldn't be a solution to the crisis until there was a political process under resolution 2254, so in each of these areas, we've seen both progress and challenges, but of course, on ISIS, we have prevented the reemergence of the threat from northeast Syria, and we've helped deal with people that needed to be repatriated out of the prisons, and we dealt with displaced people in al-Hol to reduce the numbers there. We helped provide for stabilization in those parts of Syria.

Question: I want to talk a little bit about the ISIS situation now that the US troops are still there, do you envision a timeline where they will be withdrawn? Because there were some reports in the press that there is a plan from the Biden administration to withdraw.

Answer: Yeah. So right now, our focus is on the mission that we have there to keep ISIS from reemerging. So I know there have been reports, but I want to make clear that we remain committed to the role that we play in that part of Syria, to the partnership that we have with the local forces that we work with, and to the need to prevent that threat from reemerging.

Question: So you can assure people who are saying that you might withdraw, that you are remaining for the time being?

Answer: Yes, and that we remain committed to this mission which needs to continue to be pursued.

Question: You also mentioned the importance of humanitarian aid. The US has been leading on this. Are you satisfied with where you are today on the humanitarian front in Syria?

Answer: We remain committed to the role that we play to provide for humanitarian assistance in Syria. Of the money that was pledged in Brussels, we pledged $593 million just this past spring, and we overall, since the beginning of the conflict, have provided $18 billion both to help the Syrians who are inside of Syria and to help the refugees who are in surrounding countries. And so we remain committed to providing that assistance, and we remain keenly aware that 90% of Syrians are living in poverty right now, and that there's been suffering there. We're doing everything we can to reduce the suffering, but I think where we would really like to be is where there's a larger solution to the whole crisis, so Syrian people someday will be able to provide again for themselves and not need this assistance.

Question: And that's a perfect key to my next question. Solution in Syria. you are aware that the countries in the region are opening up to Assad again, and you also have the EU signaling overture to the Syrian regime and Assad. How do you deal with that?

Answer: For the United States, our policy continues to be that we will not normalize with the regime in Syria until there's been authentic and enduring progress on the goals of resolution 2254, until the human rights of the Syrian people are respected and until they have the civil and human rights that they deserve. We know other countries have engaged with the regime. When those engagements happen, we don't support them, but we remind the countries that are engaged that they should be using their engagements to push forward on the shared international goals under 2254, and that whatever it is that they're doing should be for the sake of improving the situation of the Syrian people.

Question: Let's say that all of the countries decided to talk to Assad, aren’t you worried that the US will be alienated in the process?

Answer: The US will remain true to our own principles and our own policies and our own laws, and the path for the regime in Syria to change its relationship with us is very clear, if they change the behaviors that led to the laws that we have and to the policies that we have, if those behaviors change and the circumstances inside of Syria change, then it's possible to have a different kind of relationship, but that's where it has to start.

Question: My last question to you before you leave, if you have to pick one thing that you need to do in Syria today, what is it that you would like to see happening today?

Answer: So there are a number of things, I think that will always be left and that there are things that we will try to do, to try to make them happen. We want to hold people accountable in Syria for things that have happened. So even today, we observed something called the International Day for victims of enforced disappearances, there are people that are missing, and we're trying to draw attention to the need to account for the missing people. So our step today was to sanction a number of officials who were responsible for enforced disappearances, but we also created something called the independent institution for missing persons, and that helps the families, in the non-political way, get information on what's happened. So I'd like to see some peace for the families of the missing people. I'd like to see the beginning of a political process, there hasn't been a meeting of the constitutional committee in two years, and I think that's because the regime has not been cooperating in political process steps. So we need to change that situation. And I would, of course, like it's important to see the continuation of the things that we were talking about, so keeping ISIS from reemerging and maintaining assistance as necessary in the humanitarian sphere. So all these things, some of them are ongoing, and some of them remain to be achieved. But the Syrian people deserve all aspects of our policy to be fulfilled and for them to be able to return to a normal life.